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00:00:08.240 Speaker 1 Reality 101 is a journal of impossible experiences, from first-hand explorations
00:00:13.220 Speaker 1 into the nature of reality, what it means for all of us, and how you can experience
00:00:17.820 Speaker 1 it yourself. I'm Stephen Schrimbeck.
00:00:22.040 Speaker 2 I'm Joshua Swenson, and today we'll be exploring Reality 101. This is both the
00:00:28.000 Speaker 2 name of the series and the starting point, an experience where Stephen was lectured
00:00:33.060 Speaker 2 on how it all works on a very basic level when consciousness is the foundation of
00:00:38.160 Speaker 2 reality. But before we get into that, I just wanted to check in with you, Stephen.
00:00:43.360 Speaker 2 How are you arriving today?
00:00:45.360 Speaker 1 I'm arriving pretty darn good. Had a great meditation this morning. It's a weird
00:00:50.340 Speaker 1 one. Uh, th- a lot of them are weird ones these days.
00:00:53.900 Speaker 2 [chuckles]
00:00:54.520 Speaker 1 Uh, we'll get into some of that later. But I'm coming in feeling pretty, pretty
00:00:59.220 Speaker 1 playful. I'm really excited to, to start sharing [chuckles] these stories. I've--
00:01:04.840 Speaker 1 Like I've told you, I've got-- felt like I've been walking around with a golden
00:01:07.420 Speaker 1 tome, a couple tomes at this point. I just wanna get it out, s- so I feel, uh, like
00:01:12.040 Speaker 1 this is a, a form of catharsis for me.
00:01:15.000 Speaker 2 Hmm. Cool. Yeah, I'm excited about this too, and, um, yeah, I haven't done
00:01:20.500 Speaker 2 collaboration like this before, so, uh, I feel like it's a really exciting time, uh,
00:01:26.000 Speaker 2 stepping into this. And the other thing I wanted to check in about is just that
00:01:31.020 Speaker 2 since I've met you and since I've been doing some of the practices that you've
00:01:35.040 Speaker 2 introduced me to, some Mindsight training, some psi wheel spinning, things like
00:01:40.840 Speaker 2 that, sticking coins to walls-
00:01:43.200 Speaker 1 Mm-hmm
00:01:43.220 Speaker 2 ... I've just been feeling like I'm stepping into such a strange world. Like, I've
00:01:48.380 Speaker 2 always hoped and believed that this stuff was real. I used to, you know, I
00:01:54.440 Speaker 2 studied Buddhism many years ago, and Hindu- Hinduism, and yoga,
00:02:00.360 Speaker 2 and, um, I was always fascinated with the yogic superpowers, the siddhis, and I
00:02:06.160 Speaker 2 think that's maybe part of why I wanted to meditate.
00:02:08.460 Speaker 1 You're a wizard, Joshua.
00:02:09.600 Speaker 2 I've been, I've been meditating for 20 years because I've wanted to float, you know?
00:02:13.220 Speaker 2 [laughs] And now it's like, holy shit, are we really in the Matrix? And so I've
00:02:19.120 Speaker 2 been having some-
00:02:19.920 Speaker 1 It's better than that
00:02:20.540 Speaker 2 ... I've been having some s- really strange dreams, which I know you've talked about
00:02:24.240 Speaker 2 as you were, you know, stepping into the, some of the stuff. A little unsettling,
00:02:29.280 Speaker 2 and I feel like I'm approaching this big threshold crossing. I've been, you know,
00:02:34.760 Speaker 2 across many thresholds in my own journey of awakening and, uh, self-transformation.
00:02:40.120 Speaker 2 [lip smack] Uh, and yeah, this is a big one. So, um, our, our mutual friend Kate and
00:02:46.080 Speaker 2 I are, uh, talking to Stephen's other friend, Miguel, about
00:02:52.240 Speaker 2 ho- hosting a private, uh, Mindsight session. So-
00:02:58.100 Speaker 1 That is seeing without eyeballs
00:02:58.540 Speaker 2 ... I'm looking forward to that. Yes, seeing without eyeballs.
00:03:01.320 Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.
00:03:01.420 Speaker 2 Kate had some incredible breakthroughs when we, uh, did a little training the other
00:03:06.360 Speaker 2 day, and so it's just exciting. It's, like, exciting to see people I know making
00:03:11.080 Speaker 2 these breakthroughs and to, yeah, to just be witnessing you and your s- your
00:03:16.060 Speaker 2 journey. So... And that being said, I'm, yeah, I'm curious now we can, to dive in on
00:03:21.420 Speaker 2 this experience, Reality 101. How did this begin for you?
00:03:26.100 Speaker 1 Yeah. Now, before I, I get into it, it was-- I'm glad that you mention that because
00:03:32.080 Speaker 1 this is real. Like, [chuckles] the things I'm about to say are stories, and they're
00:03:35.760 Speaker 1 profound, and they're exciting and hopefully, you know, entertaining and
00:03:39.260 Speaker 1 captivating. It was for me, but this happened to me. Um, and it is
00:03:45.020 Speaker 1 now happening to you, some version of this, and that is the whole purpose of this
00:03:48.980 Speaker 1 series, is sharing this so that people can understand their own reality and make
00:03:53.100 Speaker 1 sense of it, but also, uh, learn how to do it yourselves. So, [chuckles] without
00:03:58.280 Speaker 1 further ado, uh, let's pick up where we left off after the prior
00:04:04.100 Speaker 1 episode. So I am sure-
00:04:07.980 Speaker 2 Oh, we'll just say-- Sorry. We'll just say that we recorded a prior conversation on
00:04:11.920 Speaker 2 my other podcast, "Ruptures and Roots," uh, where Stephen talks about his backstory
00:04:17.420 Speaker 2 and what led him into this, uh, journey. So you can-- If you'd like to hear that,
00:04:22.780 Speaker 2 you can tune in there, and we'll include a link in the show notes. Now, getting back
00:04:27.820 Speaker 2 to it. So let's dive in.
00:04:30.360 Speaker 1 Yeah, you need that context. So at this point,
00:04:34.680 Speaker 1 what I'm gonna talk about is one of the most insane and profound things that had
00:04:39.480 Speaker 1 ever happened to me. Uh, even now, I, I've experienced things like it since then.
00:04:44.520 Speaker 1 Uh, but it really [chuckles] does have to be described. In a-- To put it in a, on an
00:04:50.200 Speaker 1 index card, one evening five months ago, I was shown how reality
00:04:56.060 Speaker 1 works at a very low level in a lecture-type setting, um, by
00:05:02.100 Speaker 1 somebody who is not physical and walked me through the 101 of how
00:05:07.740 Speaker 1 consciousness and matter and everything exists, [chuckles] how it all works, where
00:05:12.560 Speaker 1 it came from more or less as far as we're related, how, how this is happening.
00:05:19.220 Speaker 1 And, um, I was able to ask any questions I wanted, and I got all the answers that I
00:05:24.640 Speaker 1 asked. Um, so that's what we're gonna get into. So picking it up from there,
00:05:30.780 Speaker 1 I go to sleep the night prior, and I knew that I was going to talk to somebody. I
00:05:36.220 Speaker 1 just-- Like, I had had the intuition, but at this point, whatever, right? You know.
00:05:41.320 Speaker 1 I go to sleep. I wake up, and where we left off from our prior interview is
00:05:47.280 Speaker 1 I wake up in a state where
00:05:50.580 Speaker 1 I am laying in my bed. I am awake. Call these liminal states, just falling asleep or
00:05:55.360 Speaker 1 waking up. Part of you is awake, so I can get up out of bed. Like, I'm conscious.
00:06:01.420 Speaker 1 But part of you is still not quite fully self-conscious. You're not attached to the
00:06:05.940 Speaker 1 world yet, right? Kinda like a daydream.
00:06:09.520 Speaker 1 And I get a little nudge from someone familiar. At this point in my story, telepathy
00:06:15.240 Speaker 1 is, like, a thing that happens. But it's messy, right? I, 70 per- 80% of the time I
00:06:20.620 Speaker 1 can't tell whether they're my thoughts or not. It's, you know, it's pretty
00:06:24.160 Speaker 1 frustrating, honestly. Uh, and sometimes it's very clear. I get a little nudge,
00:06:28.280 Speaker 1 almost like your phone ringing. Imagine it's like somebody's waiting there, they
00:06:31.320 Speaker 1 wanna talk to you. You just know that they're waiting there. So I pick up the call.
00:06:35.640 Speaker 1 Normally this is like verbal thoughts. We do a little back and forth, "Hey, how are
00:06:39.020 Speaker 1 you?" You know, it feels a little like talking to yourself and you kind of humor it.
00:06:44.080 Speaker 1 I pick up the call. It is a very much different call this time. Um,
00:06:50.300 Speaker 1 I get visuals immediately. It is like somebody is writing into your imagination. So
00:06:55.060 Speaker 1 imagine seeing something like an apple on a table. Now imagine an apple on the table
00:07:00.360 Speaker 1 appears in your visual imagination right now, and you are not making it happen.
00:07:04.160 Speaker 1 You're not trying to make it happen. You're not doing anything, and it's stable, and
00:07:07.620 Speaker 1 it's like somebody's playing a movie. Like, you're the projector and they're shining
00:07:10.980 Speaker 1 a movie onto you. And there's a person there, and she's a girl, and she is,
00:07:16.940 Speaker 1 as I described in our prior interview, like my twin, my soul twin sister.
00:07:23.680 Speaker 1 And she's always existed. I knew who she was. She's familiar. I had been getting
00:07:28.720 Speaker 1 thoughts and feelings from this person for months, and I'd been denying it for a
00:07:32.460 Speaker 1 long time. At this point I was on board, but I never thought I would actually, like,
00:07:35.220 Speaker 1 meet them or see them. And so I am-- My eyes are closed and I'm trying not to focus
00:07:40.160 Speaker 1 on my body because I feel it's, like, pulling me out of the experience. And so I
00:07:44.420 Speaker 1 just let it happen. I let the tape roll. I start to work through it a little bit.
00:07:49.140 Speaker 1 Um, but it's stressful and wonderful and exciting, and I am
00:07:54.900 Speaker 1 talking to somebody. It's in a white space, just like, uh, actually a lot like "The
00:07:59.020 Speaker 1 Matrix." It's, uh, just a white plane with a ground. There's nothing else. Stuff
00:08:03.020 Speaker 1 just pops in while we're talking. Music just starts playing. Sound effects start
00:08:07.840 Speaker 1 happening that are always, like, related to what we're talking about. It's like you
00:08:11.260 Speaker 1 just pull in these ideas and they just start happening. Uh, it's, it was incredibly
00:08:16.160 Speaker 1 profound, but I've covered a lot of that already. But towards the end of that
00:08:19.679 Speaker 1 experience, we-- you can ask any questions you want about that if you-- 'cause I, we
00:08:23.500 Speaker 1 didn't go into a ton of detail. Um, but we're getting into reality 101.
00:08:29.780 Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. Well, that's, that's a good place to pause. I have a couple questions.
00:08:33.240 Speaker 1 Yep.
00:08:33.460 Speaker 2 Um, I'm curious, what was she... What did she look like? How did your soul twin
00:08:39.780 Speaker 2 appear to you in that space?
00:08:43.000 Speaker 1 Well, she looks a lot like me. Uh, that's probably not surprising. Same sort of body
00:08:47.580 Speaker 1 type. We look genetically related. Sort of dirty blonde hair. Um,
00:08:54.580 Speaker 1 l- about 30 years old, I'd guess. Wearing nondescript clothes. Um,
00:09:01.680 Speaker 1 she's pretty kind. I know who she is. Like, uh, it's,
00:09:08.200 Speaker 1 you s- you can feel like there's more than just verbal thoughts happening. You can
00:09:12.420 Speaker 1 feel, like, emotions and, like, their ideas or their intent. If somebody said a word
00:09:17.640 Speaker 1 that had two definitions and they just said that, you would know which one they
00:09:20.420 Speaker 1 meant, even without the outer, the rest of the context. You just understand what
00:09:23.820 Speaker 1 they're trying to communicate to you. But we are using words. But yeah, she's just
00:09:28.000 Speaker 1 standing there, and she looks worried and hopeful. A lot
00:09:34.020 Speaker 1 of my n- I've taken journal notes, like 200 something experiences at this point.
00:09:40.020 Speaker 1 Um, I wrote in my notes that she is, like, keen. She's, like, watching me, like
00:09:44.220 Speaker 1 incredibly observant. Like, this whole thing has been, like, a setup for a long
00:09:48.420 Speaker 1 time, and this person has been observing me. And is just, like, watching,
00:09:54.560 Speaker 1 uh, like a hawk for every little reaction, every little tell, uh, that I have. And
00:09:59.820 Speaker 1 because she wants to know how much do I understand about what's happening, about who
00:10:05.240 Speaker 1 this is. Where am I, like,
00:10:08.660 Speaker 1 on a stage of development, basically, right? That, that's what it feels like, is
00:10:12.180 Speaker 1 like... But also, like, "Do you miss me? Do you kn- How much do you remember about
00:10:17.960 Speaker 1 who I am? Like, what can you feel? Like, do you, do you care?" Like, [chuckles] "Are
00:10:22.380 Speaker 1 you blowing this off? Does this really matter to you? Do you wanna know me?" Like,
00:10:26.880 Speaker 1 imagine seeing your brother after 36 years, and you haven't seen them in that long,
00:10:32.580 Speaker 1 and they don't remember you, but you know everything about them, and how that might
00:10:36.300 Speaker 1 feel. And, like, it was almost like, uh, somebody at a, like a military coming home,
00:10:41.840 Speaker 1 like, party or something after, like, a year or two gone or something, and they're,
00:10:45.200 Speaker 1 like, really nervous but excited. Um, that's what it was like.
00:10:50.020 Speaker 2 Hmm. And how did you respond to the, her presence?
00:10:54.360 Speaker 1 [chuckles] All right. Well, this, I think this deserves a story.
00:11:00.820 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.
00:11:02.000 Speaker 1 Um, [chuckles] rather than just tell you, here, I'll look through my actual notes,
00:11:06.340 Speaker 1 um, because I, I wrote it down. Uh, so some of this I'll just read it 'cause it will
00:11:11.640 Speaker 1 be easier. So she is painfully sincere. Who you see is largely who she is. It's
00:11:17.100 Speaker 1 incredibly refreshing. Uh, there's weird artifacts in the communication format, but
00:11:22.820 Speaker 1 it's incredibly clear, right? And she's incredibly absorbant, obser- observant and
00:11:27.620 Speaker 1 absorbing every detail of our interaction. The very first thing after we have this
00:11:31.580 Speaker 1 initial conversation about, like, [chuckles] "Hey, don't freak out. You're gonna
00:11:35.980 Speaker 1 break the contact. You're gonna break the communication." Um,
00:11:41.240 Speaker 1 sort of stabilize it. We just do some basic chitchat, but I'm basically staring like
00:11:45.820 Speaker 1 a slack jaw. Like, I can't [chuckles] give-- "Holy shit, you are real." Like,
00:11:49.760 Speaker 1 [chuckles] I thought maybe that was the case. Uh, but I'm seeing you, and you have
00:11:55.280 Speaker 1 facial expressions, and you are standing there, and you clearly want things out of
00:11:58.540 Speaker 1 me. The very first thing after, like, I'm done, I, I look like an idiot, dude. Like,
00:12:03.500 Speaker 1 I'm s- totally slack jawed. Like, [chuckles] can't ima- I'm stopping mid-sentence
00:12:07.980 Speaker 1 and just staring 'cause I'm waiting for this to be fake. I feel like it's just going
00:12:11.836 Speaker 1 to stop at any time or just be my imagination, but it's so stable, and there's a
00:12:15.856 Speaker 1 person there, and she's, like, getting impatient. After all that, like, the first
00:12:20.356 Speaker 1 thing she does is offer me a cake. The-- in fact, she just says,
00:12:25.056 Speaker 1 "Do you want cake?" That's the opening line.
00:12:28.836 Speaker 2 [laughs]
00:12:29.556 Speaker 1 And I'm just like, "Cake?" [chuckles] And then she just
00:12:35.516 Speaker 1 looks at me like I'm a, a complete effing idiot. Like, j- lovingly, 'cause I'm in
00:12:40.056 Speaker 1 shock, basically. Uh, probably literally in shock. Um, she says, "I made cake."
00:12:45.916 Speaker 1 That's it. And I'm just, like, staring. It's got a plate with a cake on it. It's
00:12:49.736 Speaker 1 just, like, a brown, unfrosted cake. And I'm staring at it, and I say, "What is it?"
00:12:54.496 Speaker 1 "It's cake," is, like, the response. I'm looking at my notes. I'm like, "How did you
00:12:58.916 Speaker 1 make it?" Sort of an eye roll, like, "I baked it in an oven." And then we, like,
00:13:04.056 Speaker 1 teleport to, like, a convection oven, and it's just, like, sitting there, like, on
00:13:08.596 Speaker 1 the white plain. She opens it up, like, "See? Oven." Like, but there's this
00:13:12.576 Speaker 1 undertone of like, [chuckles] "Come on, dude. Like, keep up. It's an oven. I
00:13:18.616 Speaker 1 made a cake in an oven. This is not the hard part. Let's move on." Like, this is the
00:13:22.096 Speaker 1 tone of what's happening. And I'm like, "Okay." And so I'm like, "Sure." Like, I
00:13:27.616 Speaker 1 don't know what to do. Like, I don't know how to interact. I've been, like, fighting
00:13:31.116 Speaker 1 for, like, scraps of words for months, and half the time or more, it's my own
00:13:36.416 Speaker 1 thoughts, and it goes poorly. It's not fun. Like, telepathy hadn't been fun up until
00:13:41.596 Speaker 1 this point, but now it's like, whoa, I'm watching TV, man. Like, this is e- well,
00:13:45.756 Speaker 1 it's interactive. It's like they're standing in front of me. And so she gives me
00:13:50.656 Speaker 1 cake and a knife and, like, I, I don't really have a body. Like, I'm just floating.
00:13:54.916 Speaker 1 Like, I don't know what I'm... [chuckles] I don't know how to navigate these spaces
00:13:57.296 Speaker 1 at this point in time. This is five months ago. Uh, I knew a lot less. Things have
00:14:01.696 Speaker 1 happened since then. But we're, like, sizing up a slice, right? And then I'm, as I'm
00:14:07.096 Speaker 1 going to cut it, she says, "That's too big." [laughs] I just start laughing. And I'm
00:14:13.136 Speaker 1 like, "Okay." So I do slightly smaller slice. I get, like, a nod and, like, a, a
00:14:18.456 Speaker 1 literal beamed sense of, like, approval. Like, good. Okay. Yes, that's appropriate.
00:14:23.076 Speaker 1 And I eat it. You know what it tastes like?
00:14:26.596 Speaker 2 Cake.
00:14:27.476 Speaker 1 Just tastes like cake. So I asked if it was vegan, and she's like... Okay, I wrote,
00:14:32.716 Speaker 1 "She informs me patiently, as if advocating a small... as if, yes, as if
00:14:38.536 Speaker 1 talking to a small child, that there are no chickens here to make eggs, so it's
00:14:42.616 Speaker 1 fine." [laughs] And I just start laughing. I'm like, "Okay, yeah, that was a stupid
00:14:46.936 Speaker 1 question." [laughs] It's like we're in, like, an imaginary space. Yeah, we're good.
00:14:50.896 Speaker 1 Never mind. And so, you know. And then, you know, I say there's no frosting. Like,
00:14:55.736 Speaker 1 there's this whole, like, coded interaction, right? This is, this is very heav- this
00:15:00.456 Speaker 1 is very clearly, like, we're not talking about the thing that we're going to, that
00:15:04.456 Speaker 1 you, we both wanna talk about, like, what the hell is happening to you right now?
00:15:08.516 Speaker 1 Or, like, I, we finally get to see each other. We're not talking about the thing.
00:15:12.656 Speaker 1 You can imagine the social tension here. Uh, that's what's happening. I will also
00:15:17.716 Speaker 1 add that she gets her own slice of cake. The cake transforms into a heart-shaped
00:15:23.156 Speaker 1 cake immediately after that. No words are spoken. She's totally neutral face.
00:15:27.596 Speaker 1 Straight line face emoji. Just, like, playing it very cool, like I'm a wild animal
00:15:33.636 Speaker 1 or something, and I could just, like, flip out and bite her or just run away at any
00:15:38.536 Speaker 1 time. But played totally cool. Cake transforms into a heart-shaped cake. Otherwise,
00:15:44.536 Speaker 1 it's the same. Then she cuts her own slice, and it is enormous. [laughs] I just
00:15:49.956 Speaker 1 start cracking up. I'm like, "What the hell?" I'm like, "All right. I see how this
00:15:55.936 Speaker 1 is going. I'm getting played. I gotta keep up." [chuckles]
00:15:59.756 Speaker 2 Hmm.
00:15:59.936 Speaker 1 "I forgot you're my twin. Uh, hold on a second." Like, so this is what the
00:16:04.516 Speaker 1 interactions are like. Like, a lot of it is just social stuff.
00:16:08.276 Speaker 2 You didn't come back with, you didn't come back with, "That's too big"? [laughs]
00:16:12.196 Speaker 1 No, I, I didn't. You know? I, I asked, like, "How did you learn how to make cake?"
00:16:17.116 Speaker 1 She, like, waves at just, like, the white space around her and says, "It's all out
00:16:20.776 Speaker 1 there, and then practice." I'm like, "How many have you made before?" Like, the
00:16:25.036 Speaker 1 answers are immediately. She's just talking to me. And I'm just... That alone is
00:16:28.735 Speaker 1 what's blowing my mind right now, is that, like, any of this is happening. And so we
00:16:33.856 Speaker 1 get into a bunch of other stuff from there. I don't know how much is relevant,
00:16:36.916 Speaker 1 because it's not technically the reality when we haven't even gotten-
00:16:40.716 Speaker 2 Yeah
00:16:40.716 Speaker 1 ... to the main experience. But this is profound for me, because this is my sister.
00:16:45.996 Speaker 1 Like, I know who she is. Like, it's difficult to describe how it feels to know how
00:16:51.476 Speaker 1 somebody is but not remem- not remember them. Like, I know who they are. Like, it's
00:16:56.176 Speaker 1 like I've always known them.
00:16:57.796 Speaker 2 You'd had impressions of this person before too, right?
00:17:00.736 Speaker 1 Yeah, for many months up until this. And, like, this was the person that I'd been
00:17:04.276 Speaker 1 talking to the most. Not the only one. There was another person. We'll introduce
00:17:07.956 Speaker 1 them shortly. Um, but yes, like, my sister. Like, I, I had been doing remote
00:17:12.756 Speaker 1 viewing. I had been doing so much, and I just started getting verbal thoughts and
00:17:17.016 Speaker 1 out of context emotions and other intuitive senses. You imagine just beaming stuff
00:17:22.016 Speaker 1 at you. Telepathy is basically a shared experience. So if I'm jumping around feeling
00:17:26.416 Speaker 1 happy and thinking about, I don't know, a concert I'm gonna go to, another
00:17:32.256 Speaker 1 person's experience of telepathy receiving that is that they are jumping around
00:17:36.436 Speaker 1 happy and excited about a concert. But it's, like, a little bit distant. Like, it's
00:17:39.616 Speaker 1 removed. Like, you can feel both at the same time. Imagine a kid who comes up to
00:17:43.076 Speaker 1 you, and they're super excited about a toy they just got. You can't help but be
00:17:46.156 Speaker 1 excited in the same way.
00:17:47.976 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.
00:17:48.036 Speaker 1 It's like that, but you can get more than just emotions. Like, you can get somatic
00:17:52.016 Speaker 1 senses. You can get ideas. They bleed through, but they have, like, a distance to
00:17:56.616 Speaker 1 them. Like, you can feel that they aren't yours. You feel yours separately. Uh, so
00:18:01.856 Speaker 1 I'd been getting a lot of impressions all over the place, right? So there's a lot of
00:18:05.316 Speaker 1 lead-up to this. This is, like, the big break where, like, oh, we are interacting
00:18:11.616 Speaker 1 real time in high fidelity with no error. Like, [chuckles] I'm not guessing whether
00:18:16.676 Speaker 1 these are my thoughts or imagination. I'm getting frustrated. I'm not- ... pushing
00:18:20.412 Speaker 1 this away and saying, "It isn't real." Like, you're here. I'm here. Um, and I'm
00:18:25.792 Speaker 1 awake, right? Uh, I am, I'm experiencing it not as
00:18:31.452 Speaker 1 100% fidelity as, like, being, seeing the room around you, but it's, like, 70% of
00:18:36.252 Speaker 1 that. It's stable and sharp. I can see, I can touch, I can smell, I can taste.
00:18:43.092 Speaker 1 So that's where I'm at at this point in time. And, uh, [chuckles] it's wild. But
00:18:48.312 Speaker 1 I'm, I'm blown away by her, right? It's, it's weird how familiar... They're just
00:18:53.832 Speaker 1 people. Non-physical people are just people. Like, they're just... They're
00:18:58.812 Speaker 1 different, and we'll have a lot of time to get into that in this series, but they're
00:19:03.532 Speaker 1 just people, uh, ultimately. And, you know, everybody has a family, whether it's
00:19:08.352 Speaker 1 deceased loved ones or a soul family like this. But they're all just people who
00:19:14.272 Speaker 1 love you or care about you and have their own ideas and motivations and problems.
00:19:18.212 Speaker 1 And so a lot of what our interactions are about is just [chuckles] a person, family,
00:19:24.431 Speaker 1 social stuff, you know? What are you into? How do you feel? So that's what's going
00:19:28.712 Speaker 1 on.
00:19:29.892 Speaker 2 Hmm.
00:19:32.412 Speaker 2 What's her name? Or do she have a name?
00:19:35.772 Speaker 1 Names are very, very hard. You wouldn't think that they would be, but I think that
00:19:41.352 Speaker 1 there's a lot of reasons for it. Maybe we'll get into it another time. But for
00:19:44.672 Speaker 1 people who start to have telepathic experiences, which everyone has, uh, you just,
00:19:50.332 Speaker 1 whether you realize it or not, but directed, like conversations, not just perceiving
00:19:54.012 Speaker 1 random stuff from the ether. Um, names are hard. Uh, I didn't get a name until
00:19:59.872 Speaker 1 much, much later. She does have a name. Uh, I don't think I'm gonna share it because
00:20:04.872 Speaker 1 I'm pretty sure that people could attempt to [chuckles] contact her with it. Uh, but
00:20:08.632 Speaker 1 she goes by Iris. That is a given name. Um, so we picked that
00:20:14.632 Speaker 1 one pretty early on, long before this experience, because I needed something. I n-
00:20:17.952 Speaker 1 what am I gonna call you? Who are you?
00:20:19.432 Speaker 2 Yeah.
00:20:19.952 Speaker 1 Like, I'd already figured out who she was to me at that point, but I didn't know...
00:20:23.972 Speaker 1 I needed a name. Uh, so that's the name we went with, and, uh, it
00:20:29.872 Speaker 1 stuck. Uh, so that's, that's what she goes by.
00:20:33.232 Speaker 2 Hmm.
00:20:35.132 Speaker 2 And that makes me think of how names are just...
00:20:39.832 Speaker 2 That we have strong associations with our own name because from the moment we come
00:20:43.332 Speaker 2 into this world, people are repeating this phrase or, you
00:20:49.352 Speaker 2 know, this, these syllables directing their attention at us. And at some point, we
00:20:54.632 Speaker 2 begin to associate ourselves with that
00:20:58.512 Speaker 2 series of syllables, but it's not really who we are. So in a way, it becomes a kind
00:21:02.732 Speaker 2 of prison. Um, I've experienced that. Like, I used to go by Josh.
00:21:07.232 Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.
00:21:07.472 Speaker 2 And, uh, at some point, I felt that, uh, Josh was not who I was anymore. And I know
00:21:12.732 Speaker 2 people, you know, have experiences and they, uh, life-changing experiences, and they
00:21:18.472 Speaker 2 might pick a totally new name. I just decided to start going by Joshua because it
00:21:23.272 Speaker 2 was easier. [chuckles]
00:21:24.292 Speaker 1 It's an easy transition.
00:21:25.532 Speaker 2 Yeah. [chuckles]
00:21:28.572 Speaker 1 Hmm. That's good. I didn't know that about you. Thank you. But that's a perfect
00:21:31.032 Speaker 1 example. There's more than that, too. So some of these people, I think this is a way
00:21:35.752 Speaker 1 of framing it, if you're gonna go down this road, it's best just to treat these
00:21:39.452 Speaker 1 experiences like there's another person on the other end of the line. Many of them
00:21:44.112 Speaker 1 have names. A lot of them don't. And I think it's because they, they go by the
00:21:50.032 Speaker 1 feeling of, like, their own soul. We'll talk about that at some... You can feel who
00:21:53.612 Speaker 1 they are, and that's kind of your name, right? That's the hallmark. And it's always
00:21:57.852 Speaker 1 representative of you, so there's no real reason to... Many of them don't have
00:22:02.112 Speaker 1 names. Some of them do, and if you ask for a name, you'll get a bogus one, and it's
00:22:06.092 Speaker 1 hilarious every time. It's, it's like, great. Uh, we'll, we'll get some very
00:22:10.672 Speaker 1 interesting names later on, uh-
00:22:12.372 Speaker 2 Hmm
00:22:12.432 Speaker 1 ... in this series.
00:22:13.412 Speaker 2 [chuckles]
00:22:13.772 Speaker 1 Uh, but it's like, okay, yeah, that's totally your name. All right, let's continue.
00:22:18.132 Speaker 1 Uh, you need something to attach them to.
00:22:20.932 Speaker 2 Yeah.
00:22:21.092 Speaker 1 But anyway, so it, this experience is with Iris, and then this night is wild. All
00:22:27.072 Speaker 1 kinds of things are happening to me while this is happening. It's, it's a stable
00:22:30.292 Speaker 1 experience, but I don't know where we are. I just call it, like, an astral plane or
00:22:35.532 Speaker 1 something. I don't know whether that's the right term or not. Coming into this, I
00:22:40.072 Speaker 1 had not done a lot of study on esoteric stuff, traditions. I don't know the words
00:22:45.192 Speaker 1 for these. I'm just experiencing it. So we're in a place where stuff just happens.
00:22:49.732 Speaker 1 Like, I'm seeing things, like pictures, images, sounds pop in that are, like,
00:22:54.912 Speaker 1 tangentially related to what we're doing and sometimes not. It's just like, or I
00:22:59.312 Speaker 1 feel like my body spazzing out, like I'm being electrocuted, but it, not in a bad
00:23:04.152 Speaker 1 way. Like, just this ton of, like, something, energy going through me or something.
00:23:09.392 Speaker 1 Um, and so, you know, like, we'll mention, like, I don't know, like tennis or
00:23:14.512 Speaker 1 something, and then you just hear, like, the sounds of, like, people playing tennis
00:23:16.972 Speaker 1 or something, or music will start playing. Um, or I start hearing her thoughts
00:23:22.232 Speaker 1 spoken aloud. Her own thoughts are being, like, verbalized, like, loud, like inner
00:23:26.852 Speaker 1 thoughts, 'cause you have those separately. And she just says, "Yeah, that happens
00:23:30.632 Speaker 1 sometimes. Like, stuff just bleeds in." [chuckles] And I'm like, "Okay. I'll just
00:23:35.792 Speaker 1 pretend like that's fine." Um, but it's so matter-of-fact. Like, she's just like,
00:23:41.292 Speaker 1 "Whatever. Like, what are you... Stop paying attention. This is not the important
00:23:44.172 Speaker 1 part." Well, you know, like somebody who's been living there for I don't know how
00:23:47.552 Speaker 1 long, um, like this is just normal for them. It's an idea space. Things just pop up.
00:23:52.132 Speaker 1 You don't walk. You just teleport to where you're going. You wanna show me an oven?
00:23:55.092 Speaker 1 Pop. Here it is. There's the oven. Like, it's, what are you... You don't need to
00:23:58.312 Speaker 1 make an oven. You don't need to buy one. It's right here. You need an oven? It's
00:24:01.492 Speaker 1 right here. When you don't need it, it's gone. That's just, you could just tell by
00:24:05.092 Speaker 1 the way she acted that that is what the reality is like, is it's
00:24:10.392 Speaker 1 imagination. Literally, it's imagination. Um, but not because it's
00:24:16.292 Speaker 1 made up, but because that's just how it is, and humanity and
00:24:21.732 Speaker 1 physical dwelling beings are a bit oddballs out.
00:24:26.412 Speaker 2 Hmm.
00:24:31.682 Speaker 2 While I was just writing, uh, imagination is a real place. That is, that is a
00:24:37.602 Speaker 2 pretty, um,
00:24:40.182 Speaker 2 profound statement coming from our modern Western culture.
00:24:46.322 Speaker 2 Uh, older traditions would say the imaginal, you know, is what would lend more
00:24:50.742 Speaker 2 credence to, uh, spaces like that, and that the imagination is, uh,
00:24:57.242 Speaker 2 source in a way. It's the source of this world or one of the sources, maybe the
00:25:02.581 Speaker 2 loading zone. Uh, but yeah, that's pretty profound to think of it like that.
00:25:07.802 Speaker 2 Whereas, um, I'd always maybe up until I, you know, I don't know, a certain number
00:25:13.702 Speaker 2 of years in my own writing creative journey, thought of imagination as just like
00:25:18.642 Speaker 2 fancy, you know, just happening in your own head. Um, so it's really interesting to
00:25:24.302 Speaker 2 see that, and I, I love this image. I keep thinking of the Matrix loading space, the
00:25:28.822 Speaker 2 white space where like Neo's like, "Guns," and then they're like, "Shit." A bunch of
00:25:33.342 Speaker 2 guns come. They get anything they need before they plug in and, you know, come into
00:25:37.922 Speaker 2 physical reality, right? Um, and I'm also curious if you could say something about
00:25:44.942 Speaker 2 how you have come to experience this, this like liminal state as
00:25:50.582 Speaker 2 valid. Um, because like y- what you were describing earlier is an interesting
00:25:56.102 Speaker 2 experience, and like if I just heard anybody else talk about that, I'd be like, "Oh,
00:25:59.742 Speaker 2 that's an interesting dream. You met a lady and, you know, she offered you some
00:26:03.722 Speaker 2 cake." And it's like, what is that saying about your psyche or, you know, how is
00:26:08.162 Speaker 2 this just in your own head sort of, you know? But, um, what you're expressing is
00:26:13.422 Speaker 2 that this was an actual experience with another non-physical being.
00:26:18.782 Speaker 2 [lip smack] Um, yeah. You could take it from there.
00:26:24.042 Speaker 1 Uh, great points. First of all, doubt is so easy. It is just like baked into the
00:26:29.282 Speaker 1 human psyche. Even after this ex- set of experiences, I still experienced doubt. Uh,
00:26:34.882 Speaker 1 but it was like once you see it that way, you just start laughing. You're like,
00:26:38.602 Speaker 1 "Okay. Yeah, buddy. Yeah, there's totally nothing happening." Uh, but
00:26:44.422 Speaker 1 doubt is baked in, and it's one of the things that kills these experiences fully,
00:26:49.862 Speaker 1 right? It's almost like you-- I think I, I wrote once in one of my articles on my
00:26:54.982 Speaker 1 blog that like you need to be able to entertain a stupid idea long enough to see if
00:26:59.302 Speaker 1 it's true. And, um, the real answer is that I'd been receiving intrusive
00:27:04.722 Speaker 1 communication for five, six months before this, like out of nowhere. Uh, deep in
00:27:10.282 Speaker 1 meditation, somebody's talking to me. Like I'm not making these thoughts happen. I
00:27:13.842 Speaker 1 don't know where they're coming from. This is, this has never happened to me before.
00:27:17.342 Speaker 1 I was 36 years old. It's a little late to have a, you know, a schizophrenic episode.
00:27:22.562 Speaker 1 Like it doesn't make sense. It didn't-- I was healthy and happy, and like my life
00:27:25.802 Speaker 1 had been better than ever. And in fact, the communication, any messaging at all,
00:27:30.822 Speaker 1 goes away when I got stressed or, uh, my, I didn't have sleep. So like it would turn
00:27:36.422 Speaker 1 off. You would think it would be the opposite. A dysfunctional brain is gonna start
00:27:39.262 Speaker 1 acting up. No, I couldn't get anything. Like it was clearly just me. Uh, and I could
00:27:43.402 Speaker 1 only really start to get this when I was healthy and free and clear and open and
00:27:47.382 Speaker 1 playful.
00:27:48.382 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.
00:27:48.742 Speaker 1 That's when it started to come through, like somebody is talking to me. And but only
00:27:53.622 Speaker 1 in these sort of more enlightened or happy, clear, like permissive states. Uh, and
00:27:59.542 Speaker 1 that's why it happens so often in the liminal states or deep in meditation is
00:28:03.102 Speaker 1 because your conscious mind is out of the way.
00:28:05.242 Speaker 2 Mm.
00:28:05.502 Speaker 1 You're not blocking it. We have filters up, and I had been working at this point to
00:28:09.022 Speaker 1 start tearing down the filters because I was long past the point of accepting that
00:28:12.682 Speaker 1 there is somebody there. I know a lot of this is noise, a lot of this is confusing,
00:28:17.822 Speaker 1 but something is happening. I'm, I'm talking to somebody. I'm feeling their
00:28:21.402 Speaker 1 emotions. Like I'm talking to my kid, and then I get this like sudden like feeling
00:28:26.502 Speaker 1 of like affection or like curiosity as to what they're doing, and it's not mine.
00:28:30.942 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.
00:28:31.182 Speaker 1 Like I'm like, "Pssh. Go away, kid. I wanna do something else." And like almost
00:28:35.582 Speaker 1 like, I don't know, a family member that is like riding around in my experience or
00:28:40.862 Speaker 1 clo- attached to it, like non-physical, and I am feeling what they're feeling, which
00:28:45.841 Speaker 1 is, "Oh, it's your son. [chuckles] What does he want? That's so cool. He looks just
00:28:50.682 Speaker 1 like you." This stuff s- happens to me. It's not all words, and it's out of nowhere.
00:28:56.062 Speaker 1 And the, these people have personalities. Like they will say a thing, have a
00:29:00.922 Speaker 1 conversation. Imagine entertaining a what feels like an imaginary conversation in
00:29:04.922 Speaker 1 your hammock one day and you're like, "Ah, did any of that happen?" It felt like it
00:29:07.982 Speaker 1 did. I felt like I was talking to someone. And then two weeks later, you know, they
00:29:13.762 Speaker 1 bring up a thing that you totally forgot about and have an answer to, and like
00:29:17.622 Speaker 1 they've been working on it, or they've made some change in the way they try to talk
00:29:21.702 Speaker 1 to you. You didn't even notice until you remember like, "Oh, didn't I say something
00:29:25.342 Speaker 1 about that like two weeks ago?"
00:29:27.022 Speaker 2 Hmm.
00:29:27.182 Speaker 1 I haven't even been thinking about this. Now, is any of this impossible for the
00:29:30.482 Speaker 1 human mind? No. Uh, the, the human mind is an incredible thing. But all of these
00:29:36.102 Speaker 1 things add up to people who have memories and motives and desires of their own,
00:29:42.682 Speaker 1 and I can feel them. Like that is really what pushes me over the edge to taking this
00:29:46.442 Speaker 1 seriously, to get to a point where I can even have an experience like this, because
00:29:50.462 Speaker 1 you have to entertain it a long time, is that I can feel their emotions. And that's
00:29:55.002 Speaker 1 really what kept me going, is that when I would-- You know, somebody shows up, just
00:30:00.982 Speaker 1 a smile in your head, like, "How are-- Hey, how are you doing today?" You're like,
00:30:04.222 Speaker 1 "Oh, the, the, the signal's clear," you know? Like, "What's up? How are you doing?"
00:30:08.122 Speaker 1 And I'm like, "Shut up. This isn't real." [chuckles] I feel this intense like
00:30:14.042 Speaker 1 betrayal, like pain of rejection.
00:30:17.222 Speaker 2 Hmm.
00:30:17.522 Speaker 1 "F you." [chuckles] Man, that, they don't even need to say that. Like you can just
00:30:21.662 Speaker 1 feel it. It's like a heartache. Like you can imagine, you know what the feeling of
00:30:25.182 Speaker 1 like your heart literally hurting feels like. That would hit me, and it was so out
00:30:29.242 Speaker 1 of context with what I was feeling. I was doing the opposite. I'm like, "Go away.
00:30:32.622 Speaker 1 This is dumb." I'm like, "I'm dismissing this. Uh, go away." And then I feel this
00:30:36.622 Speaker 1 intense pain of rejection. And you can only do that so many times before you're
00:30:41.470 Speaker 1 like, "All right. Let's see what's here." And then the pattern becomes a person, and
00:30:47.030 Speaker 1 then I experience them like this. Uh, so it was a long lead-up to this moment.
00:30:53.290 Speaker 1 Um, so anything, it was more relief [chuckles] than any... I would've-- Like I
00:30:57.930 Speaker 1 mentioned in our first interview, I would've loved to have been crazy. I sought
00:31:01.930 Speaker 1 every kind of help that I could think of. Uh, I was no stranger to my own mind and
00:31:07.030 Speaker 1 to therapy techniques, and I had no shame in any of this. I, I sought every kind of
00:31:12.630 Speaker 1 help or diagnosis I could reasonably seek. I was fine. I was better than I'd ever
00:31:17.610 Speaker 1 been. So it was completely out of context with any mental disorder. It made no
00:31:21.170 Speaker 1 sense. And so I just decided, well, reality is weirder than we thought it was.
00:31:26.630 Speaker 2 [chuckles]
00:31:26.730 Speaker 1 Let's see where this goes. I don't wanna keep hurting these people.
00:31:30.210 Speaker 2 Hmm. Reality is weirder and wilder and far more exciting than anything
00:31:36.150 Speaker 2 we've been led to believe.
00:31:37.810 Speaker 1 Yeah.
00:31:37.890 Speaker 2 I'm gradually coming to accept that as well, so I, I also really appreciate that,
00:31:42.430 Speaker 2 you know, uh, naming the doubt and hearing about your journey of, uh, doubting these
00:31:48.270 Speaker 2 experiences, 'cause we're diving in, you know, several years in. You know, you've
00:31:52.930 Speaker 2 been on this journey for several years, and we've talked about that in the Ruptures
00:31:56.330 Speaker 2 and Roots episode. Um, so I think that's helpful for me and probably for anyone else
00:32:01.670 Speaker 2 listening, uh, to see that, like, you started from a place of doubt and skepticism
00:32:06.450 Speaker 2 and pushing this away. And I also just, like, my heart goes out to this non-physical
00:32:12.410 Speaker 2 person trying to reach you. I just was imagining, like, I have two young children
00:32:16.650 Speaker 2 and, um, imagine if I'm, like, trying to help them and guide them and, and they just
00:32:21.630 Speaker 2 don't believe I'm real. [chuckles] Like, you know, they, they can't see me or feel
00:32:25.470 Speaker 2 me. And it's just like, I'm... You know, I love them so much and I care for them and
00:32:30.030 Speaker 2 I wanna see them grow. Um, so yeah. That's really beautiful. So
00:32:35.990 Speaker 2 yeah, let's get, let's, let's kinda get into the Reality 101 piece.
00:32:40.210 Speaker 1 Sure.
00:32:40.270 Speaker 2 Like, what was this, what was this lecture that you received?
00:32:43.770 Speaker 1 Yeah.
00:32:43.950 Speaker 2 What's the download?
00:32:43.990 Speaker 1 We'll talk a lot more about imagination later.
00:32:46.350 Speaker 2 Yeah.
00:32:46.370 Speaker 1 But for now, just think of imagination as
00:32:51.470 Speaker 1 being like a real space that you're a participant of one. It's yours. Like, it's
00:32:55.610 Speaker 1 your personal space. But it turns out that other people can come into your personal
00:32:59.970 Speaker 1 space. It's like your room. They can show up if you let them, or you have-
00:33:04.110 Speaker 2 Hmm
00:33:04.110 Speaker 1 ... the capacity to recognize it. And that is what starts happening. So I'm talking
00:33:09.090 Speaker 1 to these people and I realize, 'cause this stuff is hitting me, right? I'm
00:33:12.050 Speaker 1 experiencing an enormous amount of emotions and profound realizations. Like, I'm not
00:33:16.210 Speaker 1 just chit-chatting with a long-lost sister. I'm like, "You're not my biological
00:33:20.510 Speaker 1 sister. You're my soul sister." So, like, I'd been wondering for a while, like,
00:33:25.810 Speaker 1 okay, if there are lives beyond lives, do we have family beyond our family here? And
00:33:30.550 Speaker 1 well, yeah, like, well, here's my confirmation. Yes, [chuckles] we do. I mean, some
00:33:36.010 Speaker 1 of us do. I think many of us do. I think, I couldn't tell you for sure. This is a
00:33:39.990 Speaker 1 sample size of one. But I wonder, like, I'm starting to wonder aloud. Like, I'm
00:33:45.170 Speaker 1 thinking in my head, like personal thoughts. I'm not projecting out. Uh, just
00:33:49.550 Speaker 1 thinking, wait, so if I have a sister, do we have parents? [chuckles] Like,
00:33:56.130 Speaker 1 like how did we come to exist? Hold on. Like, the, I'm experiencing all of this,
00:33:59.850 Speaker 1 right? I'm like two hours in maybe at this point, three hours in. I'm just laying
00:34:04.170 Speaker 1 there. My brain's starting to cook, right? We're, whoof, there's a lot going on
00:34:08.910 Speaker 1 here. But I, I need to know. Like, I'm, I, I, this is, like, I've had scraps of
00:34:14.810 Speaker 1 information for so long, of insights, stuff through remote viewing. And this is just
00:34:19.410 Speaker 1 like, bam, full fidelity, ask whatever you want. It's right here. I'm like, I
00:34:23.170 Speaker 1 gotta... Drinking from the fire hydrant. I gotta get as much as I can while it's
00:34:27.270 Speaker 1 clear and obvious and there's no signal, like, was that my own thoughts? And so I'm,
00:34:31.990 Speaker 1 I'm thinking this to myself, and she's like, "Oh yeah, pshh." And she's, she starts
00:34:37.910 Speaker 1 to pull in my grandmother, my deceased grandmother, into the space, and I freak out.
00:34:43.230 Speaker 1 [chuckles] I'm like, "Nope." I reject it immediately to the point where, like, the
00:34:48.170 Speaker 1 whole thing is, like, starting to, starting to tear apart here. And I'm just like,
00:34:52.030 Speaker 1 "Nope, okay, that doesn't happen." I'm like, I am not ready for that. For whatever
00:34:55.449 Speaker 1 reason, deceased family members is a line for me. Like, okay, new people that I
00:34:58.930 Speaker 1 don't have memories of but feel familiar-
00:35:01.430 Speaker 2 Hmm
00:35:01.450 Speaker 1 ... that's okay. For whatever reason, that's easier. Uh, and I'm like, "Nope, I
00:35:05.190 Speaker 1 can't do that." But then I start to wonder, do we have a parent? Where the heck did
00:35:09.510 Speaker 1 we come from? And she's like, "Oh yeah, pshh." This exact quote, "Oh yeah, pshh,
00:35:13.610 Speaker 1 that's easy." She's super easy to talk to. Here. That's just a hand wave, like, so
00:35:18.650 Speaker 1 nonchalant. The whole thing is like, yeah, whatever. Like, this is just how I live.
00:35:21.910 Speaker 1 Like, here, talk to her. I'm like, "Wah." [chuckles] I could just, I could just
00:35:26.630 Speaker 1 barely handle, like, talking to you and realizing you were real, and we've had,
00:35:30.170 Speaker 1 like, five to six months of warm-up here.
00:35:32.250 Speaker 2 Hmm.
00:35:33.010 Speaker 1 And sure enough, so I am immediately, I'm gone. Like, I'm out of that place. Like,
00:35:38.970 Speaker 1 in an instant. She's just hand wave. Sure, yeah. You can talk to her. I'm now in a
00:35:43.190 Speaker 1 black space. Like, there's nothing. It's just, like, empty space without stars,
00:35:46.930 Speaker 1 basically. I still don't have a body. I'm floating out there. And I feel this, like,
00:35:51.510 Speaker 1 smile, like, this just, this presence. Nobody. I think she knew then that I was not
00:35:57.270 Speaker 1 ready to see another person. I couldn't, I was really at the breaking point here.
00:36:01.930 Speaker 1 [chuckles] Like, I could not handle a lot of trauma. It's the personal stuff that
00:36:07.830 Speaker 1 really gets to me. I, m- even more than just the, the profound and weird stuff.
00:36:12.570 Speaker 1 It's, I'm not ready to see you yet, as silly as that sounds. But I could feel her,
00:36:19.010 Speaker 1 and she was, like,
00:36:22.330 Speaker 1 super zen, like, really loving, just like the, the perfect portrait of a parent
00:36:27.410 Speaker 1 who's just, like, incredibly loving and is very patient and familiar. I knew exactly
00:36:32.850 Speaker 1 who this was. Like, this was n-not only an, like, familiar in the sense that, oh, I
00:36:37.830 Speaker 1 haven't seen you in a long time, but, like, I felt this throughout my life. And of
00:36:42.950 Speaker 1 course I have, uh, because she's basically been there the whole time. Like just
00:36:48.650 Speaker 1 quietly in the background. And I think that you would call this role, like, a spirit
00:36:53.890 Speaker 1 guide. This is the role that she's been acting out. This is my... Like, w- I think
00:36:57.990 Speaker 1 we all have a lot of them, but this is mine. Like, my main one. And of course it
00:37:01.770 Speaker 1 would be, it's my mom. [chuckles] My soul mom. And s- I think at one point
00:37:07.730 Speaker 1 she even told me, this is outside this experience, like, "Why would I let anyone
00:37:11.830 Speaker 1 else do this job?" Like, obviously. [chuckles] You're my kid. I'm, I'm doing this
00:37:16.750 Speaker 1 personally. And so I can feel them, and it's incredibly surreal. And I'm, like,
00:37:23.510 Speaker 1 brought to tears by just the very presence of this person, and I can tell how much
00:37:27.550 Speaker 1 it means to her to be rec- to see, be seen. Imagine what it's like floating around
00:37:32.210 Speaker 1 your kid for 36 years and they don't know that you're real or that you even exist,
00:37:36.830 Speaker 1 and then they finally notice you. Like, how that must feel. So I'm feeling all that,
00:37:41.130 Speaker 1 too, at the same time. This is what I'm feeling. So that's, [chuckles] that's a lot
00:37:45.570 Speaker 1 of emotion, and I'm-
00:37:47.130 Speaker 2 Hmm
00:37:47.330 Speaker 1 ... really feeling it. So I just start asking questions. Like, I just, I just jump
00:37:52.010 Speaker 1 right into it, right? So like, "Hello," like, "What do I call you?" "Mother is good
00:37:57.670 Speaker 1 enough," right? Again, these names. You like this. Like, it's like, [sighs] okay,
00:38:02.730 Speaker 1 here's your label. [both laugh] Let's move on. Um, and I realize that this is, like,
00:38:07.950 Speaker 1 a belayed conversation that I, uh, I was going to get, like, weeks before. And it
00:38:12.790 Speaker 1 was just, like, verbal thoughts. Waking up in the middle of the night and just
00:38:15.110 Speaker 1 starting to tell me stuff. And I'm like, "Eh, I can tell that you're important and I
00:38:19.510 Speaker 1 feel I know who you are, but, like, wait until we can meet, like, better. I don't
00:38:23.530 Speaker 1 want, I don't want it like this. I don't want, like, an audio message. [chuckles] I
00:38:27.790 Speaker 1 wanna meet you." And this is that. And like, this had been, like, set up. This whole
00:38:32.230 Speaker 1 thing had been set up. It was clearly orchestrated for me to, like, meet my family
00:38:36.710 Speaker 1 beyond my family, right? Cool, you're ready now. You're receptive enough. You've
00:38:39.950 Speaker 1 been doing the practice, you've been doing the meditation, you've been doing the
00:38:43.010 Speaker 1 psychic stuff. You, you're open. You're taking it seriously. Cool. We're gonna
00:38:48.110 Speaker 1 engineer this experience for you. It's not, we're gonna, not gonna abduct you.
00:38:51.670 Speaker 1 You're not gonna go out of body. We're gonna make it as gentle as possible. Here we
00:38:56.430 Speaker 1 go. Nice and gentle. And so I start asking questions. Like, "Okay, who are you?" And
00:39:01.610 Speaker 1 she starts talking. She said-- She tells me that she created our souls a- and
00:39:06.550 Speaker 1 another sibling, uh, who's not our twin. Um, and um,
00:39:12.430 Speaker 1 [chuckles] it's very emotional. Um,
00:39:18.210 Speaker 1 so she's incredibly familiar to me and very unbothered by, like, all this stuff. I'm
00:39:24.130 Speaker 1 cracking jokes or whatever, and she's like-
00:39:27.170 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm
00:39:27.190 Speaker 1 ... like a monk. Just like nothing I said could have made her upset. I think,
00:39:31.130 Speaker 1 honestly, not that she couldn't be upset, but you can tell this, I'm gonna, I don't
00:39:34.630 Speaker 1 know how to describe it. Older souls, how do you wanna frame this? Like, they are
00:39:38.770 Speaker 1 not bothered by literally anything that a child could do. Like, you could do it, you
00:39:42.730 Speaker 1 could stick up your middle finger and moon them and they would, they would just
00:39:46.510 Speaker 1 smile at you. It's like that. Um, so I get hugged. Uh, I get,
00:39:52.630 Speaker 1 like, the sense of a hug, like the somatic sense of being hugged. Uh, and then I'm,
00:39:57.310 Speaker 1 like, reassured about myself, my, like, progress on some curriculum, 'cause that's
00:40:01.470 Speaker 1 what's ex- I'm experiencing now, is a curric- I'm going through some process of,
00:40:05.190 Speaker 1 like, awakening or realization. And I still didn't know what it was at that time.
00:40:10.710 Speaker 1 And I just had been reassured, like, I'm making good choices and that she was proud
00:40:14.830 Speaker 1 of me. Uh, I'm like... [sighs] It's bringing me to tears now. Um,
00:40:21.210 Speaker 1 and then the rest is, uh, the experience itself. The re- we
00:40:27.070 Speaker 1 move into education from there. That's like the, the personal lead in. This, this is
00:40:31.270 Speaker 1 who I am. I love you. I'm proud of you. And then we get into it. I'll pause there.
00:40:37.730 Speaker 2 Hmm.
00:40:40.210 Speaker 2 Wow.
00:40:42.390 Speaker 2 I wanna meet my mom.
00:40:44.870 Speaker 2 I wanna meet my soul mom. [chuckles]
00:40:47.010 Speaker 1 Yeah, man. I want everyone to meet their soul parents or-
00:40:49.570 Speaker 2 Yeah
00:40:49.610 Speaker 1 ... siblings or... I think a lot of them are adopted, by the way.
00:40:53.110 Speaker 2 Hmm.
00:40:53.190 Speaker 1 I think it's just, like, I think there are, like, there's a, a relation that is akin
00:40:57.810 Speaker 1 to genetics. I don't know, you come in in the same batch. I, I don't know. We'll get
00:41:01.950 Speaker 1 into that. But I think a lot of it is you meet people that you like, and you just
00:41:06.609 Speaker 1 stick with them throughout multiple lives or whatever, right? The heaven, whatever
00:41:10.710 Speaker 1 you wanna call it.
00:41:15.290 Speaker 2 Where did this being come from?
00:41:18.010 Speaker 1 Where did she come from?
00:41:19.190 Speaker 2 Yeah.
00:41:21.390 Speaker 2 I guess we-
00:41:21.850 Speaker 1 Uh
00:41:21.950 Speaker 2 ... will get into that later. [chuckles]
00:41:23.950 Speaker 1 Yeah. We'll, we'll, we'll get into that, uh, another time. Uh-
00:41:28.210 Speaker 2 Okay
00:41:28.250 Speaker 1 ... but there's a providence. Everything comes from somebody or something. Uh-
00:41:33.230 Speaker 2 Hmm
00:41:33.250 Speaker 1 ... that I can say that much. Uh, it's str- even souls. Uh, so
00:41:37.510 Speaker 1 [chuckles] there you have it. Um, some of it is more familiar than you would
00:41:43.190 Speaker 1 expect. Um, so after that, um,
00:41:49.510 Speaker 1 I am immediately snapped into a very different state. We do the intro, like, "It's
00:41:52.930 Speaker 1 cool," and then just like, bam. I'm in a complete non-dual aware state.
00:41:59.330 Speaker 1 So for people who don't know what that's like, it is like experiencing yourself as a
00:42:03.730 Speaker 1 field of awareness. You... Ego dissolution. You're no longer a person sitting in a
00:42:09.370 Speaker 1 chair. There is a person sitting in a chair, but it's not you. You are everything
00:42:14.970 Speaker 1 around you. You're experiencing everything more or less as a field of stuff. Now,
00:42:19.750 Speaker 1 for me, when I'm awake and doing this, it takes a while to get into this state. It's
00:42:22.870 Speaker 1 not easy. It's a lot of meditation. You dissolve the sort of barrier between you and
00:42:27.550 Speaker 1 the world. You're experiencing thoughts and emotions and stuff, but there's no real
00:42:30.990 Speaker 1 sense of self, right? But still centered on where you are, right? Um,
00:42:37.070 Speaker 1 it takes time to get into that state. This is like, bam. All right. Now you're
00:42:42.450 Speaker 1 everything. And not just like a regular, like, weak non-dual awareness. Like, I am
00:42:48.010 Speaker 1 everything. Like in an instant. So I'm just laying in my bed. Yeah, I still--
00:42:53.726 Speaker 1 There's a vague sense of my physical body, but at this point, I'm no longer paying
00:42:56.546 Speaker 1 attention to it at all. But now I am in this black space, and
00:43:02.386 Speaker 1 stuff is there. There are things popping in, cars, trees, roads, buildings, people.
00:43:09.506 Speaker 1 And I am all of them. Like, I don't mean in the sense that I feel like I am
00:43:15.306 Speaker 1 everything. Like, I could feel like they were composed out of me, like my body had
00:43:20.706 Speaker 1 extended, and I could've moved a tree limb like my fingers. Like, I was everything
00:43:26.266 Speaker 1 in this space, right? Now, all this stuff has been popped in. Again, like "The
00:43:29.546 Speaker 1 Matrix." It's just pop, here it is. And I-- It was just in an instant. Being
00:43:34.166 Speaker 1 rocketed into a state like that at the snap of your fingers is incredibly jarring.
00:43:39.006 Speaker 1 Like, this is not the only time this has happened in my life since then, but it's,
00:43:42.886 Speaker 1 it's profound when it does. You're like, "Okay, if I had any doubts before, I am...
00:43:48.686 Speaker 1 My state has been flipped like a light switch." They just go in and, "Let me hit
00:43:52.306 Speaker 1 that switch real quick." [chuckles] So I'm everything around me. I can feel it.
00:43:58.366 Speaker 1 Um, it's like... And I'm experiencing all of these insights at the same time, so I'm
00:44:03.646 Speaker 1 just like, "Whoa." [chuckles] And she starts
00:44:09.486 Speaker 1 talking over what's happening. Like, I can hear her thoughts. And she's explaining
00:44:13.746 Speaker 1 what is happening, like asking questions, like, "What is that?" Like the, the car or
00:44:18.966 Speaker 1 the tree. I'm like, "It's me. It's me. It's all me." Like, we're talking back and
00:44:22.766 Speaker 1 forth like a, a lecture, except the projector screen is me being projected onto my
00:44:28.346 Speaker 1 conscious awareness. All of this stuff is just being rendered onto me. And she's
00:44:33.466 Speaker 1 asking questions, seeing what I ask, a little back and forth. It's like director's
00:44:37.366 Speaker 1 commentary over a movie. It's questions and answers. And I begin to realize this is
00:44:42.506 Speaker 1 a lecture, and she's telling me that, "I'm going to show you how reality
00:44:48.286 Speaker 1 works from the perspective of an individual soul, because you don't know how it
00:44:53.326 Speaker 1 works, and I can see that it's hurting you. And I love you, and I want you to know."
00:44:58.186 Speaker 1 And I'm like, [chuckles] "Okay. Oh, okay. That's all." It's, it's just gonna point
00:45:03.846 Speaker 1 blank, "Here. Here's how it works. It's..."
00:45:06.346 Speaker 2 Hmm.
00:45:06.826 Speaker 1 "You don't have to go read through a bunch of old tomes. You don't need to guess.
00:45:11.766 Speaker 1 Here, let me just show you directly. I'm just gonna show you. Here it is. Here's how
00:45:15.906 Speaker 1 it works." And I'm like, "Ah, I'm everything." [chuckles] I'm feeling it. Um,
00:45:22.086 Speaker 1 it's being rendered onto me, and I can tell that it's composed out of me. Um, and
00:45:27.706 Speaker 1 [chuckles] it's incredibly profound and bizarre
00:45:33.106 Speaker 1 experiencing this. And I'm... A lot of what's happening from this point is I am
00:45:38.666 Speaker 1 processing what I'm experiencing, 'cause I'm, people are walking around, cars are
00:45:43.106 Speaker 1 doing stuff, and I'm like, "I'm all of them. I don't have a body anymore." I'd
00:45:47.506 Speaker 1 never, I didn't have one, but I was centered on a point before. But now I'm just
00:45:50.766 Speaker 1 like all this stuff. And-
00:45:53.586 Speaker 2 Is the non-dual state, uh, in f- like extending through physical reality, like from
00:45:59.226 Speaker 2 where your body is? Or is it in the imaginal space that she brought you into?
00:46:03.746 Speaker 1 I had forgotten about my physical body at this point. Um, it was there. If I had
00:46:09.086 Speaker 1 really shook myself, I could've gotten back to it. It wasn't gone. Uh, but it was
00:46:15.106 Speaker 1 as pushed far in the background as you could, right? I wasn't unconscious. Uh, but
00:46:20.466 Speaker 1 it was gone, gone. [chuckles] I was not paying attention at all. Uh, couldn't, I
00:46:25.646 Speaker 1 couldn't, 'cause what I was experiencing in this imaginal state, right, was so much
00:46:29.886 Speaker 1 more vivid and intense. I couldn't even think about it. If, imagine a cursory
00:46:34.846 Speaker 1 thought floats through your imagination right now while you're in the midst of doing
00:46:37.726 Speaker 1 something really important physically. It's like that, but inverted.
00:46:40.986 Speaker 2 Oh. [chuckles]
00:46:41.026 Speaker 1 Now it's like, "Body? Huh? What is that? I don't know what you're talking about.
00:46:46.226 Speaker 1 [chuckles] Yeah, whatever. It's over there somewhere, I think." Um, so that's what's
00:46:51.306 Speaker 1 happening. And I, I'm hit with this profound realization of, like, familiarity.
00:46:56.886 Speaker 1 Like, oh my gosh, head to forehead, hand to forehead, like duh. [chuckles] Like, of
00:47:02.946 Speaker 1 course that's how it is. Like, but not, I don't remember it being like this. It just
00:47:07.305 Speaker 1 feels obvious. Like, I can feel that it's true. And my first reaction
00:47:13.366 Speaker 1 after, "Well, duh," of course that makes sense. Like, this is the obvious answer to
00:47:17.206 Speaker 1 how everything would work. Like, okay, this actually makes a lot more sense now that
00:47:20.266 Speaker 1 I'm feeling it. I'm just every, I'm my entire reality. Okay, cool. That makes sense,
00:47:25.546 Speaker 1 'cause I'm feeling it, right, directly. And then I'm immediately disappointed at how
00:47:31.326 Speaker 1 simple it all is. I'm like, "Oh my God, this is how it works? I'm just everything?"
00:47:36.766 Speaker 1 Like, that's how it actually works, is like I'm literally just everything. And I'm
00:47:41.566 Speaker 1 like, it's so simple. And it's like,
00:47:45.586 Speaker 1 it's all just made up. Like, I'm just every, I'm rendering my whole existence. Like,
00:47:51.666 Speaker 1 I am everything I've ever interacted with, everything I am, everything I feel. I'm
00:47:56.106 Speaker 1 all the stuff. And I'm just projecting it onto myself. And I'm,
00:48:02.106 Speaker 1 I'm hit with, like, disappointment and sadness. Like, it's so simple. And she
00:48:07.066 Speaker 1 basically tells me, "Yep, that's all it is. You are your entire reality. That's all
00:48:12.246 Speaker 1 there is. From your, from the perspective of an individual soul." She does, there's
00:48:16.586 Speaker 1 caveats of like, there's, there are other things and configurations. There are other
00:48:21.086 Speaker 1 levels of existence. You're connected to other things in other ways. We're not
00:48:25.326 Speaker 1 getting into that. From an individual soul's perspective, so every human being here,
00:48:29.526 Speaker 1 like that's what you should care about. Like, [chuckles] this is what matters to
00:48:32.626 Speaker 1 you. This is how it is. That's all there ever is, is you. It's all just you. You're
00:48:37.306 Speaker 1 always only interacting with yourself. There's nothing else. And I'm sad. Like, I'm
00:48:42.266 Speaker 1 like immediately, like, disappointed. [chuckles]
00:48:46.346 Speaker 2 Hmm.
00:48:48.066 Speaker 1 Um, but then I, I just find this, like, moment of, like, inner courage, 'cause I'm
00:48:52.466 Speaker 1 still experiencing everything. Like, and I just say that- No. Like I decide that it
00:48:57.714 Speaker 1 matters just like in that moment. It's also like pure potential. And I'm like, I
00:49:01.974 Speaker 1 decide what matters. Like, ultimately, this is the only choice that matters. Does,
00:49:05.254 Speaker 1 does anything matter? Does nothing matter or everything matter? I decide it's a
00:49:08.914 Speaker 1 choice. They're two sides of the same coin. There's nothing real or everything is
00:49:12.334 Speaker 1 real. I decided that it's real. The people, the stuff, all these things are real,
00:49:16.514 Speaker 1 and then I say that they matter. Like it... I choose that these things matter, even
00:49:20.454 Speaker 1 though it is all just me. It's all just made up, air quotes. It's the Dumbledore
00:49:24.254 Speaker 1 Harry Potter quote right at the end of the series, right? It's like, just be...
00:49:27.714 Speaker 1 Harry's like, "Oh, this was all made up." And he's like, "Well, just because it was
00:49:30.754 Speaker 1 all made up, why do you think that that means it isn't real?" You know, that's the
00:49:33.834 Speaker 1 rough quote. Literally this, I'm experiencing it now, and I'm like, well, this is
00:49:39.354 Speaker 1 the only... What is the other choice? Complete nihilism? Nothing matters? Like, who
00:49:43.174 Speaker 1 cares? The Matrix is, is all there is. Or-
00:49:47.474 Speaker 2 Hmm
00:49:47.574 Speaker 1 ... I decide that, well, that's all there is, so I'm going to enjoy it. Uh, I'm
00:49:53.274 Speaker 1 gonna find meaning in this.
00:49:55.714 Speaker 2 Was that the disappointment, the nihilism?
00:49:58.614 Speaker 1 The disappointment was the simplicity of it all. That like-
00:50:01.674 Speaker 2 Hmm
00:50:01.674 Speaker 1 ... oh, there's nothing else. It's just me. And I, I started to feel profoundly
00:50:06.354 Speaker 1 lonely as well. And, um, so but at this point, my brain is burning out.
00:50:12.634 Speaker 1 Like I am so exhausted from this, um, sheer amount of things I've experienced. Um,
00:50:19.234 Speaker 1 but yeah, it came from knowing that it's all just this experience. It's just me. I'm
00:50:24.594 Speaker 1 the only one here. I'm always the only one here. I'm just-
00:50:27.974 Speaker 2 Hmm
00:50:28.054 Speaker 1 ... sock puppets with myself. And like, and then I start to have a lot of questions.
00:50:34.014 Speaker 1 Like I'm, I've moved past the moment of like nihilism, of like, dang, okay, well,
00:50:38.514 Speaker 1 it's that simple. It's literally just all me having the experience with myself. I
00:50:43.534 Speaker 1 move past that 'cause then I wanna know stuff. I'm like, well, wait a minute. Why am
00:50:47.594 Speaker 1 I not like this all the time? You know? That's [chuckles] how... I'm gonna wake up
00:50:52.414 Speaker 1 in a little bit or get up, and I know this is gonna end, and I'm probably gonna go
00:50:56.454 Speaker 1 back to a regular existence. Like why, why am I not like this all the time? Why
00:51:01.274 Speaker 1 can't I control it? If it's all me, why can't I do whatever I want? And she responds
00:51:05.833 Speaker 1 with, "Because you weren't aware of it. It is this way, you just didn't realize
00:51:11.814 Speaker 1 it, and you have to realize it in order to control it." So awareness precedes
00:51:16.034 Speaker 1 control. It's a very common like lesson in all this stuff. You have to be aware of
00:51:20.974 Speaker 1 it, and not just in a conceptual way, like I know that it is true, like you heard
00:51:25.054 Speaker 1 about it and you believe it, but like you're experiencing it. You are experiencing
00:51:29.994 Speaker 1 the tree as your, as yourself. Then you can do whatever you want. But you have to
00:51:34.134 Speaker 1 reach... This is like a preview. This is a preview of where I needed to go, and I
00:51:38.774 Speaker 1 knew that intuitively. Like, oh, I'm going to experience something like this in my
00:51:43.434 Speaker 1 waking life at some point. And when I get to that stage, that's how you can
00:51:49.334 Speaker 1 fly around ignoring space-
00:51:51.294 Speaker 2 [chuckles]
00:51:51.374 Speaker 1 ... time in a UFO. That's how you can do whatever you want, because you're
00:51:54.314 Speaker 1 literally-
00:51:54.694 Speaker 2 Hmm
00:51:54.694 Speaker 1 ... just controlling your own reality, like pfft, I do whatever I want. The rules,
00:51:59.354 Speaker 1 they're all soft rules. There are rules. There are physics, there are metaphysics,
00:52:03.914 Speaker 1 there's friction, there's energy, there's... All of these things do stuff. There are
00:52:08.814 Speaker 1 rules. Every rule is a soft rule, and if you have sufficient awareness, like direct
00:52:12.954 Speaker 1 awareness, you can control anything. It's your reality. It's you. It's always just
00:52:17.614 Speaker 1 you. Every single soul has their own reality, right? So this is what I'm getting in
00:52:23.054 Speaker 1 these interactions. And, um, I wanna know, okay, well that's, okay, sure. I just
00:52:28.354 Speaker 1 gotta keep going. I gotta get to this. I need to relive this awareness that I'm
00:52:32.314 Speaker 1 experiencing now in this imagined, like projectors, this matrix that you, this
00:52:37.494 Speaker 1 simulation you dumped me in to show me what it will feel like. I need to get to this
00:52:40.774 Speaker 1 point in my waking life later. Cool, I'm on board for that. But like how do I do
00:52:44.794 Speaker 1 this? Like I don't know how to be a tree. I don't know how cells work.
00:52:47.714 Speaker 2 [chuckles]
00:52:47.794 Speaker 1 I don't know how a combustion engine is put together. Like I didn't imagine all the
00:52:51.634 Speaker 1 parts of this building. And so-
00:52:53.414 Speaker 2 Hmm
00:52:53.414 Speaker 1 ... she like shows me like, you imagine like you wanted to go to a building to do
00:52:58.234 Speaker 1 something or like a D&D campaign sort of thing. Like, I'm gonna go do this thing,
00:53:02.294 Speaker 1 and I see a building and stuff. You didn't create the pipes. You didn't create the
00:53:06.414 Speaker 1 wiring, but all of those things will be there because your intention was to go to a
00:53:09.874 Speaker 1 building for a purpose. And they will appear in your consciousness, and you do not
00:53:15.074 Speaker 1 need to know how to consciously do it. Like hand wave, this is the magic of the
00:53:19.194 Speaker 1 universe, right? Of, or God, or however you wanna frame it, right? If there was
00:53:23.874 Speaker 1 definitely a hand wave to something greater beyond me. Yes, I am my own reality, but
00:53:29.274 Speaker 1 there is a lot more than you, son. And don't go thinking that like there is no-
00:53:33.734 Speaker 2 Hmm
00:53:33.754 Speaker 1 ... like anything bigger beyond you. There definitely is. And one of those things is
00:53:39.474 Speaker 1 this shared library of where all this stuff comes from. Pipes, tools, people,
00:53:45.374 Speaker 1 like stories, books, catchphrases, like songs. Everything that has ever been created
00:53:51.394 Speaker 1 goes into this library, like a blueprint library. So it's like, and I got this sense
00:53:56.454 Speaker 1 of like it is a profoundly like, I don't know, like holy. Like if-
00:54:00.614 Speaker 2 Hmm
00:54:00.634 Speaker 1 ... this person did seem to have a vague sort of religion, but it was not like any
00:54:04.054 Speaker 1 of our religions. There was like this profound sense of like holiness in creating
00:54:09.334 Speaker 1 new things, and that by living, like physical people living, anybody doing stuff,
00:54:14.974 Speaker 1 they were contributing to this shared library from which any of us can pull from.
00:54:19.174 Speaker 1 When we go have, when we're creating our own realities, we can only create things
00:54:22.194 Speaker 1 that exist. And so we either have to create it or we have to take it from our
00:54:26.294 Speaker 1 forebears. It's a beautiful inheritance of all this stuff that has been made. And
00:54:31.234 Speaker 1 our, the beauty of our souls, our consciousness, it just knows how to put this
00:54:35.794 Speaker 1 together to give us what we want. So we only ever have to focus on what we actually
00:54:39.154 Speaker 1 want, and the rest just boop, boop, boop, boop puts itself together according to our
00:54:44.454 Speaker 1 needs. You know, if you had complete control, right? This is what I'm experiencing.
00:54:49.754 Speaker 1 Um,
00:54:51.654 Speaker 1 yeah. And then I, I, the last question I had, because I'm tiring out at this point,
00:54:56.314 Speaker 1 is how are there other people? I know there are other people and they're real. Like
00:54:59.654 Speaker 1 you're real. I'm interacting with you. This isn't all me. She's like, "Nope." This
00:55:03.898 Speaker 1 is all you. Even your experience of me is you. Like again, like a puppet. Uh, but I
00:55:09.538 Speaker 1 can't-- I know there are... This is a multiplayer game. She's like, "It is, but we
00:55:13.718 Speaker 1 don't... You're..." She starts to talk about it, and I have to stop her. And I'm
00:55:17.878 Speaker 1 like, "I am so excited. I am absolutely thrilled. I wanna know this
00:55:23.818 Speaker 1 more than I wanna know anything, but you have given me so much." Like I just learned
00:55:27.518 Speaker 1 that I'm my entire reality. I'm like, a bunch of other stuff has happened to me.
00:55:30.818 Speaker 1 [chuckles] You're real, and I'm feeling it, right? I'm-- you didn't tell me, you
00:55:35.298 Speaker 1 showed me. I felt what it was like. And all of this other stuff that I just talked
00:55:39.818 Speaker 1 about, and my brain is absolutely melting. I am so hot, I feel like I've had a
00:55:43.938 Speaker 1 fever. Like, I am like melting down as a human being. The physical body is now like,
00:55:50.018 Speaker 1 "Uh-oh." [laughs] We are g- critical meltdown. Like, "You cannot tell me a
00:55:56.098 Speaker 1 single more thing." That's basically the exact quote. "You cannot say one more thing
00:55:59.678 Speaker 1 to me or I am going to have a psychotic break or my brain is going to explode. You,
00:56:04.458 Speaker 1 you have got to stop. No more." And then she just smiles and s- basically
00:56:10.478 Speaker 1 says she loves me and says, "Okay." And then [snap] it's gone. I'm awake in my bed
00:56:15.658 Speaker 1 instantly, just like that. It's completely gone. I'm just laying there like, "Ugh."
00:56:19.958 Speaker 1 [chuckles] Looking at the ceiling now, like, "Whoa! Okay. Hello. I'm no longer
00:56:25.698 Speaker 1 everything in this simulation. I'm this guy in a bed." And-
00:56:29.638 Speaker 2 [chuckles]
00:56:29.898 Speaker 1 ... it's, that's it. And I'm just laying there. So that's the end of that
00:56:34.718 Speaker 1 experience. [chuckles]
00:56:37.798 Speaker 2 Hmm. Wow. Yeah, I, I only heard parts of that, I think, before, so I'm, I was just
00:56:43.378 Speaker 2 like riveted. [laughs] Oh, I just, I don't even know where to begin with
00:56:50.058 Speaker 2 diving deeper-
00:56:50.378 Speaker 1 Wherever you want, man
00:56:51.138 Speaker 2 ... honestly. Like it's just, I feel like it's just, uh, so fascinating, man. And,
00:56:56.318 Speaker 2 um,
00:56:58.958 Speaker 2 well, the library things, you know, I've heard of the Akashic Record and, you know,
00:57:03.438 Speaker 2 people talk about that, and other spiritual explorers have been to those
00:57:09.098 Speaker 2 spaces. It's just, um,
00:57:13.298 Speaker 2 interesting to think about that and like how lived experience then is kind of like
00:57:19.038 Speaker 2 this process of generating more
00:57:23.238 Speaker 2 that goes into this vast store.
00:57:26.718 Speaker 2 Um, and then I also thought it was interesting about the, the sock puppets like
00:57:31.578 Speaker 2 [chuckles] so you didn't really get a response on that. I mean, she said, you said
00:57:35.978 Speaker 2 like, "I'm talking to someone," but it was like, no, you're talking to yourself. But
00:57:41.118 Speaker 2 so she's also you. I guess in that sense, you're me and I'm you, so we're just
00:57:46.038 Speaker 2 talking to ourse- I'm just talking to myself and talking to you. [laughs]
00:57:49.898 Speaker 1 Yeah, man.
00:57:50.198 Speaker 2 But I guess you, you also had another experience which was reality 102, and that's
00:57:53.878 Speaker 2 the multiplayer reality, right?
00:57:56.198 Speaker 1 Yeah. So spoiler-
00:57:57.598 Speaker 2 That's gonna be, that's a future lesson. Yeah, we'll get into that later, I guess,
00:57:59.998 Speaker 2 huh?
00:58:00.498 Speaker 1 This is at the end of December, right? So this is five months ago now. A little more
00:58:04.138 Speaker 1 than five mo- five and a half almost. And for four months and
00:58:10.078 Speaker 1 some change maybe, I've been begging. Like, "Yo, give me the follow-up. I want the
00:58:16.138 Speaker 1 102." Nope.
00:58:17.238 Speaker 2 Hmm.
00:58:17.918 Speaker 1 Nothing. Nothing. Now, an incredible amount of things happened to me in that time
00:58:21.438 Speaker 1 period, but none, no follow-up, no direct instruction on this topic. Other topics,
00:58:27.058 Speaker 1 which is maddening, but not like this. Not to this fidelity. And, um, yeah, I'd
00:58:32.938 Speaker 1 been begging. Like I-- it, it bothered me. Like how am I, I've, how am I not alone?
00:58:38.858 Speaker 1 How are we each not alone? I know these other people are real. And the only thing I
00:58:43.298 Speaker 1 had gotten was like an intuitive sense that we were projecting onto each other. And
00:58:48.818 Speaker 1 I'd only been given the sense that
00:58:52.258 Speaker 1 it only happens because you don't know about it, right? This was another thing that
00:58:55.218 Speaker 1 was given to me, um, was in part of the lecture near the end was like
00:59:01.778 Speaker 1 h- I'm not making this happen, so how is it happening to me? Like there's another
00:59:05.238 Speaker 1 person there. Like how does, how does this happen? And that this can only happen to
00:59:09.398 Speaker 1 you, anything can only happen to you because you're not aware that it's you. So
00:59:13.438 Speaker 1 you're just at the mercy of whatever's going on, buddy. Like that's [chuckles] like
00:59:17.758 Speaker 1 you're gonna receive, you're the screen, man. You can't stop anything. Not really.
00:59:21.758 Speaker 1 You have some, you have some control, but you don't have this level of awareness
00:59:24.857 Speaker 1 that I'm basically giving you right now. So you can't shut it down. Like you--
00:59:29.898 Speaker 1 because you're not aware that it's you. If you knew that it was you and that you
00:59:33.698 Speaker 1 were your entire reality, you could control anything. You could literally do
00:59:38.238 Speaker 1 anything. You could have any experience. You could do anything you wanted, but it
00:59:42.638 Speaker 1 would be you. And this was the part that I hung u- got hung up on 'cause I'd never
00:59:46.558 Speaker 1 got the answer in this experience. In the 101, it's like, okay, I get that, but like
00:59:51.418 Speaker 1 it's still just me. Like you're like a bubble person where people are reaching in
00:59:54.398 Speaker 1 with their gloves and like touching you. Like [chuckles] maybe. Like I don't know.
00:59:59.218 Speaker 1 How can I tell the difference? Like it's all me. I'm interacting with myself
01:00:03.058 Speaker 1 everywhere, all the time. Uh, and I wanted to know how, but I didn't get that until
01:00:08.678 Speaker 1 like a month ago.
01:00:09.798 Speaker 2 Hmm.
01:00:09.998 Speaker 1 And, uh, yeah. So there were follow-ups to this. Stay tuned. That'll, [chuckles]
01:00:13.198 Speaker 1 that'll be another episode. But for now, there you have it. And for the creatives
01:00:18.278 Speaker 1 out there, keep making stuff because now you know, like if you ever doubt that
01:00:23.958 Speaker 1 something you made had any value at all, like in a lot of ways, as far as other
01:00:28.238 Speaker 1 people are concerned, this is one of the only things that have enduring permanent
01:00:31.478 Speaker 1 value is your book or your music or your ideas or the thing you put together because
01:00:36.478 Speaker 1 it's automatically made available to somebody else, whether they knew it or not.
01:00:40.218 Speaker 1 Your inventions, your concepts, all of this, your poetry, uh, anything
01:00:46.298 Speaker 1 can be made available to somebody else once it's been created. They may think it's
01:00:50.138 Speaker 1 theirs. [chuckles] I mean, don't begrudge somebody in their own dimension-
01:00:53.518 Speaker 2 [chuckles]
01:00:53.658 Speaker 1 ... or whatever for thinking they came up with the idea, but-
01:00:56.878 Speaker 2 Yeah
01:00:56.878 Speaker 1 ... you will know that it was yours, and you made that possible for them. This, in a
01:01:01.258 Speaker 1 lot of ways, is the only way we can ever make progress. ... is by creating this
01:01:05.926 Speaker 1 stuff. Uh, so nobody's life is ever wasted. You've always made some contribution.
01:01:10.046 Speaker 2 Mm.
01:01:10.186 Speaker 1 And creative acts are, as it felt, ultimately like a beautiful,
01:01:16.446 Speaker 1 benevolent, like, tantamount to, like, a holy act is, [chuckles] is what it felt
01:01:20.545 Speaker 1 like. With reverence, right? It was treated with reverence, not silliness. Like,
01:01:25.206 Speaker 1 because you've created something that will last for eternity.
01:01:29.086 Speaker 2 Mm.
01:01:29.106 Speaker 1 For everybody, for all of the universe, for every living soul can have it now.
01:01:36.146 Speaker 2 Yeah, that makes me think of, um, I've talked about this in other places, but, um,
01:01:40.366 Speaker 2 [lip smacks] and I guess going back to what I was sharing earlier about my own
01:01:44.946 Speaker 2 creative journey, I used to think that ideas came from my own head or-
01:01:49.006 Speaker 1 Yeah
01:01:49.386 Speaker 2 ... um, that if I thought harder, you know, that's how I, you know, if I strained
01:01:53.226 Speaker 2 enough, then the good words would come out or the good stories would come out. Um,
01:01:57.526 Speaker 2 but the more that I learned to let go and release control and become a channel, I
01:02:01.926 Speaker 2 felt I was tapping into something beyond me. And I'd read this book called "Big
01:02:07.226 Speaker 2 Magic" by Elizabeth Gilbert, and she says that she had an experience where
01:02:13.306 Speaker 2 she was working for years on a novel, and at some point her life
01:02:19.386 Speaker 2 kind of, um, got beyond her and she couldn't keep working on this project anymore.
01:02:24.766 Speaker 2 Uh, and then a couple of years later, she met, uh, another novelist friend of hers
01:02:29.786 Speaker 2 who had ended up writing a book that was almost exactly the same book. It was, like,
01:02:35.066 Speaker 2 the same characters, the same setting, uh, the same major conflicts and everything.
01:02:39.846 Speaker 2 And maybe it was, like, slightly different in, you know, significant ways, but it
01:02:44.006 Speaker 2 was like, wait, that was the book I was writing. [chuckles] So somehow-
01:02:47.246 Speaker 1 Yeah
01:02:47.246 Speaker 2 ... this, this novel went from Elizabeth Gilbert's head into, I think it was Ann
01:02:52.126 Speaker 2 Patchett maybe. I don't know who the other novelist was. But yeah.
01:02:56.106 Speaker 1 Yeah.
01:02:56.166 Speaker 2 She ended up writing it. So it was like that, that novel Elizabeth Gilbert was
01:03:00.486 Speaker 2 writing didn't go to waste. It was like-
01:03:02.546 Speaker 1 Nothing is wasted
01:03:02.806 Speaker 2 ... it was either, like, it was either, like, maybe... Uh, so my idea is that, like,
01:03:06.446 Speaker 2 there's, uh, a story that's existing in, uh, a, a non-physical realm
01:03:12.446 Speaker 2 that's trying to come through me into this physical realm,
01:03:18.266 Speaker 2 and then I'm availing myself, uh, as a channel to help that happen. But it's maybe
01:03:23.526 Speaker 2 working with all these other people. The, the effort that I make to bring it forth,
01:03:28.526 Speaker 2 uh, is also helping them, you know? I also think about, like, uh, was it Darwin and
01:03:35.006 Speaker 2 Wallace, right? They both were working on, uh, the theory of evolution in different
01:03:39.186 Speaker 2 parts of the world without knowing, you know-
01:03:41.366 Speaker 1 Mm-hmm
01:03:41.446 Speaker 2 ... of each other's work. But Darwin was the one who, you know, popularized his idea
01:03:45.826 Speaker 2 first, so he's the one who's credited for it. So we don't really actually own those
01:03:51.006 Speaker 2 things in the way that copyright law and publishers would wanna-
01:03:54.206 Speaker 1 Yeah
01:03:54.486 Speaker 2 ... say that we do. It's really interesting.
01:03:56.906 Speaker 1 So that's coming from the other direction. That's ideas coming into your world for
01:04:00.366 Speaker 1 you-
01:04:00.446 Speaker 2 Yeah
01:04:00.566 Speaker 1 ... to work on them or 'cause it's time for them to show up or whatever, right?
01:04:04.926 Speaker 2 Right.
01:04:04.966 Speaker 1 The g- it's, it's a two-way street. [chuckles]
01:04:08.046 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm. Mm.
01:04:08.386 Speaker 1 Uh, that's pretty cool. Yeah, I, I totally buy that as well.
01:04:11.966 Speaker 2 Hmm.
01:04:13.846 Speaker 2 Oh, man, this is, uh, such a vibrant conversation, and I'm really excited to dive in
01:04:17.566 Speaker 2 on reality one or two. I have some ideas about where you're going with that, but I
01:04:21.686 Speaker 2 think I'll save them for our next conversation 'cause, uh, we're already getting to
01:04:25.206 Speaker 2 about an hour. So I'm wondering now if you wanna check in and just, like, see, uh,
01:04:31.286 Speaker 2 yeah, having shared the story, uh, brought it into awareness and shared it in this
01:04:36.326 Speaker 2 space, uh, do you have any reflections on, uh, or meaning you're making of that now?
01:04:44.186 Speaker 1 Well, it's hard not to leak in some of the stuff I've experienced since then. Um,
01:04:48.006 Speaker 1 but I'll just as a spoiler, I have had this experience, or one very like it now, in
01:04:53.846 Speaker 1 a waking state, uh, which I did not see coming. Uh, I should have. Like, in the
01:04:59.806 Speaker 1 telling of the story, it seems like it all, like, fits together sequentially, but
01:05:03.086 Speaker 1 it's such a mess. There's, like, 50 things going on all the time. You're like, you
01:05:06.086 Speaker 1 don't know which is real-
01:05:07.146 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm
01:05:07.146 Speaker 1 ... which is made up, which is I think there's something. And then suddenly, bam, a
01:05:11.886 Speaker 1 feeling, what was an inclination or an intuition. I took my intuition and
01:05:17.566 Speaker 1 imagination and all these inner senses very seriously to get to this point, and then
01:05:21.366 Speaker 1 suddenly, bam, you get hit with this high fidelity, low error experience that you
01:05:26.866 Speaker 1 can't ignore. It's in your face. And I got validation after this, by the way. Uh, I
01:05:32.506 Speaker 1 didn't have time to get into that, uh, but I would later, um, see things
01:05:38.406 Speaker 1 and get physical world confirmation that this had happened, um, just as a
01:05:44.386 Speaker 1 courtesy, I think. [chuckles] For my own sanity. Uh, because the doubt, uh, is, is
01:05:49.506 Speaker 1 such a pervasive thing. You can-- How can you imagine doubting after this? But
01:05:52.966 Speaker 1 that's what happens. Um, but I took these inner senses seriously long enough for
01:05:58.306 Speaker 1 them to show up in my world. That's really what happened, is that, like, I was
01:06:03.526 Speaker 1 willing to play in this sort of maybe space of, like, taking it seriously, like, no,
01:06:07.786 Speaker 1 these emotions, these are people. Like, [chuckles] this, this is happening, like,
01:06:11.806 Speaker 1 somewhere. I'm not getting it all right, I know that. There's a lot of noise, but I
01:06:15.066 Speaker 1 know there's something here. I took it seriously long enough, then bam. You get hit
01:06:19.846 Speaker 1 with, like, oh, okay, you're right in front of me. This is for real, for real. And
01:06:25.166 Speaker 1 you're just telling me all of this and, like, it in all comports and, and it's, it's
01:06:29.866 Speaker 1 testable. You're getting models that fit, uh, and you can try things, or you're
01:06:34.346 Speaker 1 getting advice or definitions to things, um, that you can test in the real world.
01:06:39.346 Speaker 1 And that started happening. But it came from being willing to entertain a thing that
01:06:43.186 Speaker 1 didn't feel real, uh, for a long time, as it gradually became more real. It was
01:06:48.426 Speaker 1 incredibly frustrating, and that that's what made it happen, and if you can hold
01:06:53.386 Speaker 1 onto that long enough... But there was also accountability, right? I insisted on,
01:06:58.366 Speaker 1 like, validation. I insisted on doing it right, and a lot of the stuff that I
01:07:03.386 Speaker 1 experienced that was traumatic was made up. Like, just hearing thoughts or, like,
01:07:07.606 Speaker 1 ideas that, like, you imagine, like, somebody saying they hate you after, like, you
01:07:11.486 Speaker 1 know, all this time. Like, what the [chuckles] What do you mean you hate me? What is
01:07:15.302 Speaker 1 this? And like a lot of those things didn't happen, but they did kind of happen.
01:07:21.102 Speaker 1 We'll get into that later too, because it's your reality, right?
01:07:25.022 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.
01:07:26.182 Speaker 1 Your insecurities, your fears, your hopes, your dreams, uh, even especially
01:07:32.162 Speaker 1 the dark subconscious stuff that you don't wanna pretend is there, that's all
01:07:38.122 Speaker 1 deeply influencing the very real physical reality you see in front of you.
01:07:42.422 Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.
01:07:42.462 Speaker 1 It's changing what is possible and what will happen to you. Uh, the physical world
01:07:47.282 Speaker 1 is not as malleable as like this astral place, but it runs by the same principles
01:07:52.442 Speaker 1 ultimately. Maybe at a slower cadence, generally speaking, more ordered, but it
01:07:57.482 Speaker 1 fundamentally works in the same way, right? Just think of it as having more mass.
01:08:02.302 Speaker 1 It's harder to get stuff moving.
01:08:03.782 Speaker 2 Hmm.
01:08:03.802 Speaker 1 But it works on the same principles. So all of these like parts of yourself are also
01:08:08.942 Speaker 1 creating the world, and you're experiencing them too.
01:08:12.482 Speaker 2 Hmm.
01:08:12.582 Speaker 1 Uh, so as you, you know, as I went through this, and anyone else, just
01:08:18.482 Speaker 1 treat your experience, your non-physical experiences very seriously. They are
01:08:22.322 Speaker 1 happening. Like it's... But it's always you. [chuckles] It's
01:08:28.162 Speaker 1 always you. Uh, everything is always you, and that is extremely
01:08:34.082 Speaker 1 confusing and profound and simple. Uh, we'll get into obviously later, like
01:08:40.022 Speaker 1 how, how is it not always you? It's, it's clearly-
01:08:42.342 Speaker 2 Hmm
01:08:42.382 Speaker 1 ... like there are other people and stuff here. But this is true, like full stop.
01:08:46.942 Speaker 1 You're always only interacting with yourself. And, um-
01:08:50.602 Speaker 2 Hmm
01:08:50.822 Speaker 1 ... a lot of that comes from your unconscious parts. Uh, and
01:08:56.982 Speaker 1 so I think the final point I wanted to make about all this experience was that the
01:09:02.082 Speaker 1 way all of this happened to me was like personal growth. It didn't happen because I
01:09:06.162 Speaker 1 went on a drug bender, or I learned some secret technique, or some magic spell
01:09:09.862 Speaker 1 where-
01:09:10.422 Speaker 2 Hmm
01:09:10.482 Speaker 1 ... got hypnotized or like it didn't happen because I was at some horrible point in
01:09:15.662 Speaker 1 my life. Like I had been better than I ever was. I'd been on a trajectory of
01:09:18.762 Speaker 1 personal growth for years, and I was taking spiritual and non-physical stuff very
01:09:22.901 Speaker 1 seriously, uh, 'cause it started happening to me. I didn't ask for it. It just
01:09:27.282 Speaker 1 started showing up. And the more seriously I took it, the more it happened. But all
01:09:31.302 Speaker 1 of this stuff, even this experience, I was looking through my journals. Immediately
01:09:35.402 Speaker 1 preceding this were moments of profound personal growth where I'd accepted parts of
01:09:38.862 Speaker 1 myself that I didn't like, I didn't wanna admit.
01:09:41.922 Speaker 2 Hmm.
01:09:41.942 Speaker 1 And then I'd accepted them, and I was beginning to move on, or relationships with
01:09:45.502 Speaker 1 other people, or about what I really wanted or what I actually feared, like I
01:09:48.562 Speaker 1 dragged that stuff out into the light and accepted it. And that had happened right
01:09:53.042 Speaker 1 before this. And when I look back at the, a lot of the major experiences, they
01:09:56.882 Speaker 1 always happen following periods of profound personal growth. That's how you get
01:10:02.982 Speaker 1 psychic powers and see UFOs and meet your soul family is-
01:10:05.962 Speaker 2 [chuckles]
01:10:06.502 Speaker 1 ... become a better, happier person.
01:10:08.582 Speaker 2 Hmm.
01:10:08.622 Speaker 1 More open, more accepting and self-loving, less judgmental. Like that is what
01:10:13.142 Speaker 1 created this experience just as much as taking it seriously and wanting it. Like I
01:10:17.222 Speaker 1 was seeking this for a really long time. You do those three things, like you can
01:10:21.762 Speaker 1 have the same experience. Um, but yeah, it's always you. Just because it's, it feels
01:10:27.762 Speaker 1 imaginary doesn't mean it's fake, because it's, it's all that.
01:10:33.062 Speaker 2 Hmm.
01:10:33.102 Speaker 1 It's all you. [chuckles] It's, "Oh, this is just me," is always true. Yes, it is
01:10:38.902 Speaker 1 just me. Um, and so that was one of the biggest takeaways from that, and it took a
01:10:44.122 Speaker 1 long time for that to sink in, and I needed a lot more personal examples. This isn't
01:10:48.602 Speaker 1 a thing you can be told. Being told just helps you take it seriously and put
01:10:52.902 Speaker 1 yourself on the path to go experience it yourself. Everyone needs to experience it
01:10:57.442 Speaker 1 yourself, and you can, and then you will know. You'll put your hand to your forehead
01:11:01.222 Speaker 1 and go, "Oh my God, it really is just me."
01:11:03.722 Speaker 2 [chuckles]
01:11:04.882 Speaker 1 That, that's available to anyone.
01:11:07.202 Speaker 2 Hmm.
01:11:09.782 Speaker 2 Wow. Well, yeah, I'm feeling encouraged and, uh, excited to try out some of these
01:11:15.282 Speaker 2 things myself. I'm already doing some of that and getting little glimpses of some of
01:11:20.222 Speaker 2 the things that you're talking about in some of my liminal states and meditations.
01:11:25.582 Speaker 2 Um, but yeah, just, uh, honored to hold space for your story today and to,
01:11:32.922 Speaker 2 yeah, be able to create this
01:11:35.902 Speaker 2 series with you. I'm excited to go deeper in all of these and, uh, see what unfolds
01:11:40.902 Speaker 2 as we begin, continue to explore this, so.
01:11:44.242 Speaker 1 Yeah, man.
01:11:44.742 Speaker 2 I'm checking out with that. I'm wondering if you have a couple words you'd like to
01:11:47.642 Speaker 2 leave as you're, you know, or share as you're leaving this space. How does it feel
01:11:51.602 Speaker 2 to have shared this story in this space today?
01:11:54.942 Speaker 1 It feels amazing, like I've offloaded the first chapter [chuckles] of one of these
01:11:58.622 Speaker 1 golden books. Honestly, it's a weight.
01:12:00.742 Speaker 2 Hmm.
01:12:00.882 Speaker 1 That it's like a, a beautiful burden. But I feel like I'm walking around these days
01:12:05.462 Speaker 1 knowing I am my entire reality. Like I feel it. I can feel it. And, um,
01:12:11.502 Speaker 1 I can start to do stuff. I can see without eyeballs. I can move things with my mind.
01:12:14.842 Speaker 2 [chuckles]
01:12:15.482 Speaker 1 Light, light things. But I can, I can do things now. I can see and know things that
01:12:20.502 Speaker 1 I shouldn't theoretically be able to know. Um, and it feels amazing, and I want
01:12:26.002 Speaker 1 everyone else to have it. Uh, so I'm just excited to, to g- get it out and get it
01:12:31.662 Speaker 1 into people's hands, uh, like you and like anyone else, so they can have it too.
01:12:35.342 Speaker 2 This is Reality 101.
01:12:36.842 Speaker 1 We thought this through about what would be a good sign-off and, uh-
01:12:39.982 Speaker 2 Yeah
01:12:41.082 Speaker 1 ... I'll, I'll give this context one time, and the next I'm just gonna say it. And
01:12:45.502 Speaker 1 at one point in one of my experiences through a remote viewing map, uh, I...
01:12:50.522 Speaker 1 Somebody told me that they were so excited for me because I had just been given the
01:12:55.802 Speaker 1 gift of everything. In fact, everyone has already received this gift. They just
01:12:59.682 Speaker 1 didn't realize it yet. This is prior to this experience. You have received the gift
01:13:04.822 Speaker 1 of everything. Surprise. And here's what the gift of everything is. [gentle music]
01:13:10.562 Speaker 1 You can do anything you want. Nothing is impossible. You're not going to die, and
01:13:16.142 Speaker 1 everything loves you.
01:13:19.022 Speaker 1 There it is.
01:13:20.402 Speaker 2 Hmm.
01:13:20.542 Speaker 1 See you next time.
01:13:23.302 Speaker 2 All right.