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Speaker 1: [instrumental music]

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Speaker 1: Reality 101 is a journal of
impossible experiences, from first-hand
explorations

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Speaker 1: into the nature of reality, what it
means for all of us, and how you can experience

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Speaker 1: it yourself. I'm Stephen Schrimbeck.

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Speaker 2: I'm Joshua Swenson, and today we'll
be exploring Reality 101. This is both the

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Speaker 2: name of the series and the starting
point, an experience where Stephen was lectured

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Speaker 2: on how it all works on a very basic
level when consciousness is the foundation of

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Speaker 2: reality. But before we get into that,
I just wanted to check in with you, Stephen.

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Speaker 2: How are you arriving today?

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Speaker 1: I'm arriving pretty darn good. Had a
great meditation this morning. It's a weird

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Speaker 1: one. Uh, th- a lot of them are weird
ones these days.

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Speaker 2: [chuckles]

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Speaker 1: Uh, we'll get into some of that
later. But I'm coming in feeling pretty, pretty

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Speaker 1: playful. I'm really excited to, to
start sharing [chuckles] these stories. I've--

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Speaker 1: Like I've told you, I've got-- felt
like I've been walking around with a golden

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Speaker 1: tome, a couple tomes at this point. I
just wanna get it out, s- so I feel, uh, like

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Speaker 1: this is a, a form of catharsis for
me.

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Speaker 2: Hmm. Cool. Yeah, I'm excited about
this too, and, um, yeah, I haven't done

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Speaker 2: collaboration like this before, so,
uh, I feel like it's a really exciting time, uh,

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Speaker 2: stepping into this. And the other
thing I wanted to check in about is just that

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Speaker 2: since I've met you and since I've
been doing some of the practices that you've

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Speaker 2: introduced me to, some Mindsight
training, some psi wheel spinning, things like

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Speaker 2: that, sticking coins to walls-

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Speaker 1: Mm-hmm

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Speaker 2: ... I've just been feeling like I'm
stepping into such a strange world. Like, I've

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Speaker 2: always hoped and believed that this
stuff was real. I used to, you know, I

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Speaker 2: studied Buddhism many years ago, and
Hindu- Hinduism, and yoga,

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Speaker 2: and, um, I was always fascinated with
the yogic superpowers, the siddhis, and I

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Speaker 2: think that's maybe part of why I
wanted to meditate.

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Speaker 1: You're a wizard, Joshua.

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Speaker 2: I've been, I've been meditating for
20 years because I've wanted to float, you know?

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Speaker 2: [laughs] And now it's like, holy
shit, are we really in the Matrix? And so I've

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Speaker 2: been having some-

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Speaker 1: It's better than that

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Speaker 2: ... I've been having some s- really
strange dreams, which I know you've talked about

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Speaker 2: as you were, you know, stepping into
the, some of the stuff. A little unsettling,

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Speaker 2: and I feel like I'm approaching this
big threshold crossing. I've been, you know,

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Speaker 2: across many thresholds in my own
journey of awakening and, uh,
self-transformation.

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Speaker 2: [lip smack] Uh, and yeah, this is a
big one. So, um, our, our mutual friend Kate and

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Speaker 2: I are, uh, talking to Stephen's other
friend, Miguel, about

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Speaker 2: ho- hosting a private, uh, Mindsight
session. So-

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Speaker 1: That is seeing without eyeballs

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Speaker 2: ... I'm looking forward to that. Yes,
seeing without eyeballs.

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Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

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Speaker 2: Kate had some incredible
breakthroughs when we, uh, did a little training
the other

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Speaker 2: day, and so it's just exciting. It's,
like, exciting to see people I know making

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Speaker 2: these breakthroughs and to, yeah, to
just be witnessing you and your s- your

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Speaker 2: journey. So... And that being said,
I'm, yeah, I'm curious now we can, to dive in on

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Speaker 2: this experience, Reality 101. How did
this begin for you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, before I, I get into it,
it was-- I'm glad that you mention that because

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Speaker 1: this is real. Like, [chuckles] the
things I'm about to say are stories, and they're

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Speaker 1: profound, and they're exciting and
hopefully, you know, entertaining and

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Speaker 1: captivating. It was for me, but this
happened to me. Um, and it is

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Speaker 1: now happening to you, some version of
this, and that is the whole purpose of this

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Speaker 1: series, is sharing this so that
people can understand their own reality and make

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Speaker 1: sense of it, but also, uh, learn how
to do it yourselves. So, [chuckles] without

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Speaker 1: further ado, uh, let's pick up where
we left off after the prior

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Speaker 1: episode. So I am sure-

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Speaker 2: Oh, we'll just say-- Sorry. We'll
just say that we recorded a prior conversation
on

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Speaker 2: my other podcast, "Ruptures and
Roots," uh, where Stephen talks about his
backstory

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Speaker 2: and what led him into this, uh,
journey. So you can-- If you'd like to hear
that,

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Speaker 2: you can tune in there, and we'll
include a link in the show notes. Now, getting
back

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Speaker 2: to it. So let's dive in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you need that context. So at
this point,

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Speaker 1: what I'm gonna talk about is one of
the most insane and profound things that had

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Speaker 1: ever happened to me. Uh, even now, I,
I've experienced things like it since then.

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Speaker 1: Uh, but it really [chuckles] does
have to be described. In a-- To put it in a, on
an

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Speaker 1: index card, one evening five months
ago, I was shown how reality

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Speaker 1: works at a very low level in a
lecture-type setting, um, by

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Speaker 1: somebody who is not physical and
walked me through the 101 of how

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Speaker 1: consciousness and matter and
everything exists, [chuckles] how it all works,
where

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Speaker 1: it came from more or less as far as
we're related, how, how this is happening.

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Speaker 1: And, um, I was able to ask any
questions I wanted, and I got all the answers
that I

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Speaker 1: asked. Um, so that's what we're gonna
get into. So picking it up from there,

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Speaker 1: I go to sleep the night prior, and I
knew that I was going to talk to somebody. I

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Speaker 1: just-- Like, I had had the intuition,
but at this point, whatever, right? You know.

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Speaker 1: I go to sleep. I wake up, and where
we left off from our prior interview is

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Speaker 1: I wake up in a state where

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Speaker 1: I am laying in my bed. I am awake.
Call these liminal states, just falling asleep
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Speaker 1: waking up. Part of you is awake, so I
can get up out of bed. Like, I'm conscious.

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Speaker 1: But part of you is still not quite
fully self-conscious. You're not attached to the

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Speaker 1: world yet, right? Kinda like a
daydream.

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Speaker 1: And I get a little nudge from someone
familiar. At this point in my story, telepathy

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Speaker 1: is, like, a thing that happens. But
it's messy, right? I, 70 per- 80% of the time I

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Speaker 1: can't tell whether they're my
thoughts or not. It's, you know, it's pretty

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Speaker 1: frustrating, honestly. Uh, and
sometimes it's very clear. I get a little nudge,

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Speaker 1: almost like your phone ringing.
Imagine it's like somebody's waiting there, they

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Speaker 1: wanna talk to you. You just know that
they're waiting there. So I pick up the call.

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Speaker 1: Normally this is like verbal
thoughts. We do a little back and forth, "Hey,
how are

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Speaker 1: you?" You know, it feels a little
like talking to yourself and you kind of humor
it.

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Speaker 1: I pick up the call. It is a very much
different call this time. Um,

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Speaker 1: I get visuals immediately. It is like
somebody is writing into your imagination. So

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Speaker 1: imagine seeing something like an
apple on a table. Now imagine an apple on the
table

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Speaker 1: appears in your visual imagination
right now, and you are not making it happen.

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Speaker 1: You're not trying to make it happen.
You're not doing anything, and it's stable, and

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Speaker 1: it's like somebody's playing a movie.
Like, you're the projector and they're shining

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Speaker 1: a movie onto you. And there's a
person there, and she's a girl, and she is,

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Speaker 1: as I described in our prior
interview, like my twin, my soul twin sister.

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Speaker 1: And she's always existed. I knew who
she was. She's familiar. I had been getting

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Speaker 1: thoughts and feelings from this
person for months, and I'd been denying it for a

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Speaker 1: long time. At this point I was on
board, but I never thought I would actually,
like,

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Speaker 1: meet them or see them. And so I am--
My eyes are closed and I'm trying not to focus

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Speaker 1: on my body because I feel it's, like,
pulling me out of the experience. And so I

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Speaker 1: just let it happen. I let the tape
roll. I start to work through it a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Um, but it's stressful and wonderful
and exciting, and I am

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Speaker 1: talking to somebody. It's in a white
space, just like, uh, actually a lot like "The

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Speaker 1: Matrix." It's, uh, just a white plane
with a ground. There's nothing else. Stuff

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Speaker 1: just pops in while we're talking.
Music just starts playing. Sound effects start

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Speaker 1: happening that are always, like,
related to what we're talking about. It's like
you

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Speaker 1: just pull in these ideas and they
just start happening. Uh, it's, it was
incredibly

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Speaker 1: profound, but I've covered a lot of
that already. But towards the end of that

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Speaker 1: experience, we-- you can ask any
questions you want about that if you-- 'cause I,
we

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Speaker 1: didn't go into a ton of detail. Um,
but we're getting into reality 101.

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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Well, that's, that's a good
place to pause. I have a couple questions.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Um, I'm curious, what was she... What
did she look like? How did your soul twin

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Speaker 2: appear to you in that space?

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Speaker 1: Well, she looks a lot like me. Uh,
that's probably not surprising. Same sort of
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Speaker 1: type. We look genetically related.
Sort of dirty blonde hair. Um,

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Speaker 1: l- about 30 years old, I'd guess.
Wearing nondescript clothes. Um,

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Speaker 1: she's pretty kind. I know who she is.
Like, uh, it's,

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Speaker 1: you s- you can feel like there's more
than just verbal thoughts happening. You can

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Speaker 1: feel, like, emotions and, like, their
ideas or their intent. If somebody said a word

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Speaker 1: that had two definitions and they
just said that, you would know which one they

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Speaker 1: meant, even without the outer, the
rest of the context. You just understand what

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Speaker 1: they're trying to communicate to you.
But we are using words. But yeah, she's just

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Speaker 1: standing there, and she looks worried
and hopeful. A lot

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Speaker 1: of my n- I've taken journal notes,
like 200 something experiences at this point.

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Speaker 1: Um, I wrote in my notes that she is,
like, keen. She's, like, watching me, like

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Speaker 1: incredibly observant. Like, this
whole thing has been, like, a setup for a long

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Speaker 1: time, and this person has been
observing me. And is just, like, watching,

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Speaker 1: uh, like a hawk for every little
reaction, every little tell, uh, that I have.
And

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Speaker 1: because she wants to know how much do
I understand about what's happening, about who

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Speaker 1: this is. Where am I, like,

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Speaker 1: on a stage of development, basically,
right? That, that's what it feels like, is

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Speaker 1: like... But also, like, "Do you miss
me? Do you kn- How much do you remember about

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Speaker 1: who I am? Like, what can you feel?
Like, do you, do you care?" Like, [chuckles]
"Are

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Speaker 1: you blowing this off? Does this
really matter to you? Do you wanna know me?"
Like,

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Speaker 1: imagine seeing your brother after 36
years, and you haven't seen them in that long,

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Speaker 1: and they don't remember you, but you
know everything about them, and how that might

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Speaker 1: feel. And, like, it was almost like,
uh, somebody at a, like a military coming home,

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Speaker 1: like, party or something after, like,
a year or two gone or something, and they're,

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Speaker 1: like, really nervous but excited. Um,
that's what it was like.

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Speaker 2: Hmm. And how did you respond to the,
her presence?

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Speaker 1: [chuckles] All right. Well, this, I
think this deserves a story.

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Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

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Speaker 1: Um, [chuckles] rather than just tell
you, here, I'll look through my actual notes,

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Speaker 1: um, because I, I wrote it down. Uh,
so some of this I'll just read it 'cause it will

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Speaker 1: be easier. So she is painfully
sincere. Who you see is largely who she is. It's

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Speaker 1: incredibly refreshing. Uh, there's
weird artifacts in the communication format, but

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Speaker 1: it's incredibly clear, right? And
she's incredibly absorbant, obser- observant and

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Speaker 1: absorbing every detail of our
interaction. The very first thing after we have
this

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Speaker 1: initial conversation about, like,
[chuckles] "Hey, don't freak out. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: break the contact. You're gonna break
the communication." Um,

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Speaker 1: sort of stabilize it. We just do some
basic chitchat, but I'm basically staring like

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Speaker 1: a slack jaw. Like, I can't [chuckles]
give-- "Holy shit, you are real." Like,

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Speaker 1: [chuckles] I thought maybe that was
the case. Uh, but I'm seeing you, and you have

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Speaker 1: facial expressions, and you are
standing there, and you clearly want things out
of

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Speaker 1: me. The very first thing after, like,
I'm done, I, I look like an idiot, dude. Like,

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Speaker 1: I'm s- totally slack jawed. Like,
[chuckles] can't ima- I'm stopping mid-sentence

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Speaker 1: and just staring 'cause I'm waiting
for this to be fake. I feel like it's just going

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Speaker 1: to stop at any time or just be my
imagination, but it's so stable, and there's a

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Speaker 1: person there, and she's, like,
getting impatient. After all that, like, the
first

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Speaker 1: thing she does is offer me a cake.
The-- in fact, she just says,

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Speaker 1: "Do you want cake?" That's the
opening line.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just like, "Cake?" [chuckles]
And then she just

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Speaker 1: looks at me like I'm a, a complete
effing idiot. Like, j- lovingly, 'cause I'm in

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Speaker 1: shock, basically. Uh, probably
literally in shock. Um, she says, "I made cake."

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Speaker 1: That's it. And I'm just, like,
staring. It's got a plate with a cake on it.
It's

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Speaker 1: just, like, a brown, unfrosted cake.
And I'm staring at it, and I say, "What is it?"

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Speaker 1: "It's cake," is, like, the response.
I'm looking at my notes. I'm like, "How did you

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Speaker 1: make it?" Sort of an eye roll, like,
"I baked it in an oven." And then we, like,

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Speaker 1: teleport to, like, a convection oven,
and it's just, like, sitting there, like, on

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Speaker 1: the white plain. She opens it up,
like, "See? Oven." Like, but there's this

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Speaker 1: undertone of like, [chuckles] "Come
on, dude. Like, keep up. It's an oven. I

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standing in front of me. And so she gives me

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don't really have a body. Like, I'm just
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[chuckles] I don't know how to navigate these
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sizing up a slice, right? And then I'm, as I'm

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too big." [laughs] I just start laughing. And
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smaller slice. I get, like, a nod and, like, a,
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approval. Like, good. Okay. Yes, that's
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advocating a small... as if, yes, as if

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are no chickens here to make eggs, so it's

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laughing. I'm like, "Okay, yeah, that was a
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interaction, right? This is, this is very heav-
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talking about the thing that we're going to,
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what the hell is happening to you right now?

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each other. We're not talking about the thing.

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playing it very cool, like I'm a wild animal

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Speaker 1: "I forgot you're my twin. Uh, hold on
a second." Like, so this is what the

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asked, like, "How did you learn how to make
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"How many have you made before?" Like, the

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that, like, any of this is happening. And so we

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there. I don't know how much is relevant,

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difficult to describe how it feels to know how

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remember them. Like, I know who they are. Like,
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sister. Like, I, I had been doing remote

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and I just started getting verbal thoughts and

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intuitive senses. You imagine just beaming stuff

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shared experience. So if I'm jumping around
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receiving that is that they are jumping around

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the same time. Imagine a kid who comes up to

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big break where, like, oh, we are interacting

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error. Like, [chuckles] I'm not guessing whether

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I'm getting frustrated. I'm not- ... pushing

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real." Like, you're here. I'm here. Um, and I'm

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experiencing it not as

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It's, it's weird how familiar... They're just

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people. Like, they're just... They're

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time to get into that in this series, but
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like this. But they're all just people who

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Maybe we'll get into it another time. But for

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directed, like conversations, not just
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name. Uh, I don't think I'm gonna share it
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attempt to [chuckles] contact her with it. Uh,
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name. Um, so we picked that

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name we went with, and, uh, it

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our own name because from the moment we come

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this phrase or, you

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their attention at us. And at some point, we

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really who we are. So in a way, it becomes a
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Like, I used to go by Josh.

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uh, Josh was not who I was anymore. And I know

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and they, uh, life-changing experiences, and
they

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decided to start going by Joshua because it

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about you. Thank you. But that's a perfect

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So some of these people, I think this is a way

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down this road, it's best just to treat these

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person on the other end of the line. Many of
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I think it's because they, they go by the

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We'll talk about that at some... You can feel
who

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name, right? That's the hallmark. And it's
always

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real reason to... Many of them don't have

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ask for a name, you'll get a bogus one, and it's

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like, great. Uh, we'll, we'll get some very

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totally your name. All right, let's continue.

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with Iris, and then this night is wild. All

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while this is happening. It's, it's a stable

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are. I just call it, like, an astral plane or

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that's the right term or not. Coming into this,
I

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esoteric stuff, traditions. I don't know the
words

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So we're in a place where stuff just happens.

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pictures, images, sounds pop in that are, like,

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doing and sometimes not. It's just like, or I

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I'm being electrocuted, but it, not in a bad

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something, energy going through me or something.

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mention, like, I don't know, like tennis or

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like, the sounds of, like, people playing tennis

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playing. Um, or I start hearing her thoughts

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being, like, verbalized, like, loud, like inner

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separately. And she just says, "Yeah, that
happens

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in." [chuckles] And I'm like, "Okay. I'll just

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it's so matter-of-fact. Like, she's just like,

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paying attention. This is not the important

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who's been living there for I don't know how

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for them. It's an idea space. Things just pop
up.

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Speaker 1: You don't walk. You just teleport to
where you're going. You wanna show me an oven?

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Speaker 1: Pop. Here it is. There's the oven.
Like, it's, what are you... You don't need to

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one. It's right here. You need an oven? It's

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it's gone. That's just, you could just tell by

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the reality is like, is it's

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imagination. Um, but not because it's

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it is, and humanity and

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modern Western culture.

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imaginal, you know, is what would lend more

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and that the imagination is, uh,

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this world or one of the sources, maybe the

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pretty profound to think of it like that.

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until I, you know, I don't know, a certain
number

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journey, thought of imagination as just like

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your own head. Um, so it's really interesting to

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keep thinking of the Matrix loading space, the

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"Guns," and then they're like, "Shit." A bunch
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need before they plug in and, you know, come
into

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Speaker 2: physical reality, right? Um, and I'm
also curious if you could say something about

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Speaker 2: how you have come to experience this,
this like liminal state as

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Speaker 2: valid. Um, because like y- what you
were describing earlier is an interesting

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Speaker 2: experience, and like if I just heard
anybody else talk about that, I'd be like, "Oh,

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Speaker 2: that's an interesting dream. You met
a lady and, you know, she offered you some

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Speaker 2: cake." And it's like, what is that
saying about your psyche or, you know, how is

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Speaker 2: this just in your own head sort of,
you know? But, um, what you're expressing is

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Speaker 2: that this was an actual experience
with another non-physical being.

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Speaker 2: [lip smack] Um, yeah. You could take
it from there.

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Speaker 1: Uh, great points. First of all, doubt
is so easy. It is just like baked into the

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Speaker 1: human psyche. Even after this ex- set
of experiences, I still experienced doubt. Uh,

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Speaker 1: but it was like once you see it that
way, you just start laughing. You're like,

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Speaker 1: "Okay. Yeah, buddy. Yeah, there's
totally nothing happening." Uh, but

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Speaker 1: doubt is baked in, and it's one of
the things that kills these experiences fully,

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Speaker 1: right? It's almost like you-- I think
I, I wrote once in one of my articles on my

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Speaker 1: blog that like you need to be able to
entertain a stupid idea long enough to see if

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Speaker 1: it's true. And, um, the real answer
is that I'd been receiving intrusive

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Speaker 1: communication for five, six months
before this, like out of nowhere. Uh, deep in

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Speaker 1: meditation, somebody's talking to me.
Like I'm not making these thoughts happen. I

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Speaker 1: don't know where they're coming from.
This is, this has never happened to me before.

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Speaker 1: I was 36 years old. It's a little
late to have a, you know, a schizophrenic
episode.

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Speaker 1: Like it doesn't make sense. It
didn't-- I was healthy and happy, and like my
life

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Speaker 1: had been better than ever. And in
fact, the communication, any messaging at all,

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Speaker 1: goes away when I got stressed or, uh,
my, I didn't have sleep. So like it would turn

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Speaker 1: off. You would think it would be the
opposite. A dysfunctional brain is gonna start

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Speaker 1: acting up. No, I couldn't get
anything. Like it was clearly just me. Uh, and I
could

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Speaker 1: only really start to get this when I
was healthy and free and clear and open and

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Speaker 1: playful.

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Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

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Speaker 1: That's when it started to come
through, like somebody is talking to me. And but
only

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Speaker 1: in these sort of more enlightened or
happy, clear, like permissive states. Uh, and

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Speaker 1: that's why it happens so often in the
liminal states or deep in meditation is

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Speaker 1: because your conscious mind is out of
the way.

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Speaker 2: Mm.

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Speaker 1: You're not blocking it. We have
filters up, and I had been working at this point
to

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Speaker 1: start tearing down the filters
because I was long past the point of accepting
that

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Speaker 1: there is somebody there. I know a lot
of this is noise, a lot of this is confusing,

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Speaker 1: but something is happening. I'm, I'm
talking to somebody. I'm feeling their

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Speaker 1: emotions. Like I'm talking to my kid,
and then I get this like sudden like feeling

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Speaker 1: of like affection or like curiosity
as to what they're doing, and it's not mine.

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Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm like, "Pssh. Go away, kid. I
wanna do something else." And like almost

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Speaker 1: like, I don't know, a family member
that is like riding around in my experience or

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Speaker 1: clo- attached to it, like
non-physical, and I am feeling what they're
feeling, which

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Speaker 1: is, "Oh, it's your son. [chuckles]
What does he want? That's so cool. He looks just

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Speaker 1: like you." This stuff s- happens to
me. It's not all words, and it's out of nowhere.

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Speaker 1: And the, these people have
personalities. Like they will say a thing, have
a

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Speaker 1: conversation. Imagine entertaining a
what feels like an imaginary conversation in

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Speaker 1: your hammock one day and you're like,
"Ah, did any of that happen?" It felt like it

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Speaker 1: did. I felt like I was talking to
someone. And then two weeks later, you know,
they

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Speaker 1: bring up a thing that you totally
forgot about and have an answer to, and like

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Speaker 1: they've been working on it, or
they've made some change in the way they try to
talk

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Speaker 1: to you. You didn't even notice until
you remember like, "Oh, didn't I say something

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Speaker 1: about that like two weeks ago?"

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Speaker 2: Hmm.

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Speaker 1: I haven't even been thinking about
this. Now, is any of this impossible for the

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Speaker 1: human mind? No. Uh, the, the human
mind is an incredible thing. But all of these

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Speaker 1: things add up to people who have
memories and motives and desires of their own,

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Speaker 1: and I can feel them. Like that is
really what pushes me over the edge to taking
this

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Speaker 1: seriously, to get to a point where I
can even have an experience like this, because

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Speaker 1: you have to entertain it a long time,
is that I can feel their emotions. And that's

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Speaker 1: really what kept me going, is that
when I would-- You know, somebody shows up, just

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Speaker 1: a smile in your head, like, "How
are-- Hey, how are you doing today?" You're
like,

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Speaker 1: "Oh, the, the, the signal's clear,"
you know? Like, "What's up? How are you doing?"

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, "Shut up. This isn't
real." [chuckles] I feel this intense like

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Speaker 1: betrayal, like pain of rejection.

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Speaker 2: Hmm.

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Speaker 1: "F you." [chuckles] Man, that, they
don't even need to say that. Like you can just

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Speaker 1: feel it. It's like a heartache. Like
you can imagine, you know what the feeling of

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Speaker 1: like your heart literally hurting
feels like. That would hit me, and it was so out

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Speaker 1: of context with what I was feeling. I
was doing the opposite. I'm like, "Go away.

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Speaker 1: This is dumb." I'm like, "I'm
dismissing this. Uh, go away." And then I feel
this

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Speaker 1: intense pain of rejection. And you
can only do that so many times before you're

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Speaker 1: like, "All right. Let's see what's
here." And then the pattern becomes a person,
and

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Speaker 1: then I experience them like this. Uh,
so it was a long lead-up to this moment.

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Speaker 1: Um, so anything, it was more relief
[chuckles] than any... I would've-- Like I

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Speaker 1: mentioned in our first interview, I
would've loved to have been crazy. I sought

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Speaker 1: every kind of help that I could think
of. Uh, I was no stranger to my own mind and

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Speaker 1: to therapy techniques, and I had no
shame in any of this. I, I sought every kind of

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Speaker 1: help or diagnosis I could reasonably
seek. I was fine. I was better than I'd ever

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Speaker 1: been. So it was completely out of
context with any mental disorder. It made no

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Speaker 1: sense. And so I just decided, well,
reality is weirder than we thought it was.

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Speaker 2: [chuckles]

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Speaker 1: Let's see where this goes. I don't
wanna keep hurting these people.

437
00:31:30.210 --> 00:31:36.110
Speaker 2: Hmm. Reality is weirder and wilder
and far more exciting than anything

438
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Speaker 2: we've been led to believe.

439
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I'm gradually coming to accept that
as well, so I, I also really appreciate that,

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Speaker 2: you know, uh, naming the doubt and
hearing about your journey of, uh, doubting
these

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Speaker 2: experiences, 'cause we're diving in,
you know, several years in. You know, you've

443
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Speaker 2: been on this journey for several
years, and we've talked about that in the
Ruptures

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Speaker 2: and Roots episode. Um, so I think
that's helpful for me and probably for anyone
else

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Speaker 2: listening, uh, to see that, like, you
started from a place of doubt and skepticism

446
00:32:06.450 --> 00:32:12.370
Speaker 2: and pushing this away. And I also
just, like, my heart goes out to this
non-physical

447
00:32:12.410 --> 00:32:16.610
Speaker 2: person trying to reach you. I just
was imagining, like, I have two young children

448
00:32:16.650 --> 00:32:21.570
Speaker 2: and, um, imagine if I'm, like, trying
to help them and guide them and, and they just

449
00:32:21.630 --> 00:32:25.410
Speaker 2: don't believe I'm real. [chuckles]
Like, you know, they, they can't see me or feel

450
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Speaker 2: me. And it's just like, I'm... You
know, I love them so much and I care for them
and

451
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Speaker 2: I wanna see them grow. Um, so yeah.
That's really beautiful. So

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Speaker 2: yeah, let's get, let's, let's kinda
get into the Reality 101 piece.

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 2: Like, what was this, what was this
lecture that you received?

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

456
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Speaker 2: What's the download?

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Speaker 1: We'll talk a lot more about
imagination later.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But for now, just think of
imagination as

460
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Speaker 1: being like a real space that you're a
participant of one. It's yours. Like, it's

461
00:32:55.610 --> 00:32:59.850
Speaker 1: your personal space. But it turns out
that other people can come into your personal

462
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Speaker 1: space. It's like your room. They can
show up if you let them, or you have-

463
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Speaker 2: Hmm

464
00:33:04.110 --> 00:33:09.070
Speaker 1: ... the capacity to recognize it. And
that is what starts happening. So I'm talking

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Speaker 1: to these people and I realize, 'cause
this stuff is hitting me, right? I'm

466
00:33:12.050 --> 00:33:16.130
Speaker 1: experiencing an enormous amount of
emotions and profound realizations. Like, I'm
not

467
00:33:16.210 --> 00:33:20.410
Speaker 1: just chit-chatting with a long-lost
sister. I'm like, "You're not my biological

468
00:33:20.510 --> 00:33:24.930
Speaker 1: sister. You're my soul sister." So,
like, I'd been wondering for a while, like,

469
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Speaker 1: okay, if there are lives beyond
lives, do we have family beyond our family here?
And

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Speaker 1: well, yeah, like, well, here's my
confirmation. Yes, [chuckles] we do. I mean,
some

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Speaker 1: of us do. I think many of us do. I
think, I couldn't tell you for sure. This is a

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Speaker 1: sample size of one. But I wonder,
like, I'm starting to wonder aloud. Like, I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking in my head, like personal
thoughts. I'm not projecting out. Uh, just

474
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Speaker 1: thinking, wait, so if I have a
sister, do we have parents? [chuckles] Like,

475
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Speaker 1: like how did we come to exist? Hold
on. Like, the, I'm experiencing all of this,

476
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Speaker 1: right? I'm like two hours in maybe at
this point, three hours in. I'm just laying

477
00:34:04.170 --> 00:34:08.850
Speaker 1: there. My brain's starting to cook,
right? We're, whoof, there's a lot going on

478
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Speaker 1: here. But I, I need to know. Like,
I'm, I, I, this is, like, I've had scraps of

479
00:34:14.810 --> 00:34:19.350
Speaker 1: information for so long, of insights,
stuff through remote viewing. And this is just

480
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Speaker 1: like, bam, full fidelity, ask
whatever you want. It's right here. I'm like, I

481
00:34:23.170 --> 00:34:27.210
Speaker 1: gotta... Drinking from the fire
hydrant. I gotta get as much as I can while it's

482
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Speaker 1: clear and obvious and there's no
signal, like, was that my own thoughts? And so
I'm,

483
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking this to myself, and
she's like, "Oh yeah, pshh." And she's, she
starts

484
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Speaker 1: to pull in my grandmother, my
deceased grandmother, into the space, and I
freak out.

485
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Speaker 1: [chuckles] I'm like, "Nope." I reject
it immediately to the point where, like, the

486
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Speaker 1: whole thing is, like, starting to,
starting to tear apart here. And I'm just like,

487
00:34:52.030 --> 00:34:55.389
Speaker 1: "Nope, okay, that doesn't happen."
I'm like, I am not ready for that. For whatever

488
00:34:55.449 --> 00:34:58.889
Speaker 1: reason, deceased family members is a
line for me. Like, okay, new people that I

489
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Speaker 1: don't have memories of but feel
familiar-

490
00:35:01.430 --> 00:35:01.450
Speaker 2: Hmm

491
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Speaker 1: ... that's okay. For whatever reason,
that's easier. Uh, and I'm like, "Nope, I

492
00:35:05.190 --> 00:35:09.510
Speaker 1: can't do that." But then I start to
wonder, do we have a parent? Where the heck did

493
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Speaker 1: we come from? And she's like, "Oh
yeah, pshh." This exact quote, "Oh yeah, pshh,

494
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Speaker 1: that's easy." She's super easy to
talk to. Here. That's just a hand wave, like, so

495
00:35:18.650 --> 00:35:21.870
Speaker 1: nonchalant. The whole thing is like,
yeah, whatever. Like, this is just how I live.

496
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Speaker 1: Like, here, talk to her. I'm like,
"Wah." [chuckles] I could just, I could just

497
00:35:26.630 --> 00:35:29.950
Speaker 1: barely handle, like, talking to you
and realizing you were real, and we've had,

498
00:35:30.170 --> 00:35:31.870
Speaker 1: like, five to six months of warm-up
here.

499
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Speaker 2: Hmm.

500
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Speaker 1: And sure enough, so I am immediately,
I'm gone. Like, I'm out of that place. Like,

501
00:35:38.970 --> 00:35:43.150
Speaker 1: in an instant. She's just hand wave.
Sure, yeah. You can talk to her. I'm now in a

502
00:35:43.190 --> 00:35:46.610
Speaker 1: black space. Like, there's nothing.
It's just, like, empty space without stars,

503
00:35:46.930 --> 00:35:51.350
Speaker 1: basically. I still don't have a body.
I'm floating out there. And I feel this, like,

504
00:35:51.510 --> 00:35:57.210
Speaker 1: smile, like, this just, this
presence. Nobody. I think she knew then that I
was not

505
00:35:57.270 --> 00:36:01.910
Speaker 1: ready to see another person. I
couldn't, I was really at the breaking point
here.

506
00:36:01.930 --> 00:36:07.810
Speaker 1: [chuckles] Like, I could not handle a
lot of trauma. It's the personal stuff that

507
00:36:07.830 --> 00:36:12.410
Speaker 1: really gets to me. I, m- even more
than just the, the profound and weird stuff.

508
00:36:12.570 --> 00:36:18.230
Speaker 1: It's, I'm not ready to see you yet,
as silly as that sounds. But I could feel her,

509
00:36:19.010 --> 00:36:20.070
Speaker 1: and she was, like,

510
00:36:22.330 --> 00:36:27.350
Speaker 1: super zen, like, really loving, just
like the, the perfect portrait of a parent

511
00:36:27.410 --> 00:36:32.830
Speaker 1: who's just, like, incredibly loving
and is very patient and familiar. I knew exactly

512
00:36:32.850 --> 00:36:37.810
Speaker 1: who this was. Like, this was n-not
only an, like, familiar in the sense that, oh, I

513
00:36:37.830 --> 00:36:42.910
Speaker 1: haven't seen you in a long time, but,
like, I felt this throughout my life. And of

514
00:36:42.950 --> 00:36:48.570
Speaker 1: course I have, uh, because she's
basically been there the whole time. Like just

515
00:36:48.650 --> 00:36:53.850
Speaker 1: quietly in the background. And I
think that you would call this role, like, a
spirit

516
00:36:53.890 --> 00:36:57.970
Speaker 1: guide. This is the role that she's
been acting out. This is my... Like, w- I think

517
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Speaker 1: we all have a lot of them, but this
is mine. Like, my main one. And of course it

518
00:37:01.770 --> 00:37:07.670
Speaker 1: would be, it's my mom. [chuckles] My
soul mom. And s- I think at one point

519
00:37:07.730 --> 00:37:11.770
Speaker 1: she even told me, this is outside
this experience, like, "Why would I let anyone

520
00:37:11.830 --> 00:37:16.710
Speaker 1: else do this job?" Like, obviously.
[chuckles] You're my kid. I'm, I'm doing this

521
00:37:16.750 --> 00:37:22.570
Speaker 1: personally. And so I can feel them,
and it's incredibly surreal. And I'm, like,

522
00:37:23.510 --> 00:37:27.510
Speaker 1: brought to tears by just the very
presence of this person, and I can tell how much

523
00:37:27.550 --> 00:37:32.170
Speaker 1: it means to her to be rec- to see, be
seen. Imagine what it's like floating around

524
00:37:32.210 --> 00:37:36.370
Speaker 1: your kid for 36 years and they don't
know that you're real or that you even exist,

525
00:37:36.830 --> 00:37:40.990
Speaker 1: and then they finally notice you.
Like, how that must feel. So I'm feeling all
that,

526
00:37:41.130 --> 00:37:45.530
Speaker 1: too, at the same time. This is what
I'm feeling. So that's, [chuckles] that's a lot

527
00:37:45.570 --> 00:37:47.110
Speaker 1: of emotion, and I'm-

528
00:37:47.130 --> 00:37:47.230
Speaker 2: Hmm

529
00:37:47.330 --> 00:37:51.970
Speaker 1: ... really feeling it. So I just
start asking questions. Like, I just, I just
jump

530
00:37:52.010 --> 00:37:57.630
Speaker 1: right into it, right? So like,
"Hello," like, "What do I call you?" "Mother is
good

531
00:37:57.670 --> 00:38:02.410
Speaker 1: enough," right? Again, these names.
You like this. Like, it's like, [sighs] okay,

532
00:38:02.730 --> 00:38:07.890
Speaker 1: here's your label. [both laugh] Let's
move on. Um, and I realize that this is, like,

533
00:38:07.950 --> 00:38:12.750
Speaker 1: a belayed conversation that I, uh, I
was going to get, like, weeks before. And it

534
00:38:12.790 --> 00:38:15.030
Speaker 1: was just, like, verbal thoughts.
Waking up in the middle of the night and just

535
00:38:15.110 --> 00:38:19.310
Speaker 1: starting to tell me stuff. And I'm
like, "Eh, I can tell that you're important and
I

536
00:38:19.510 --> 00:38:23.510
Speaker 1: feel I know who you are, but, like,
wait until we can meet, like, better. I don't

537
00:38:23.530 --> 00:38:27.790
Speaker 1: want, I don't want it like this. I
don't want, like, an audio message. [chuckles] I

538
00:38:27.790 --> 00:38:32.190
Speaker 1: wanna meet you." And this is that.
And like, this had been, like, set up. This
whole

539
00:38:32.230 --> 00:38:36.670
Speaker 1: thing had been set up. It was clearly
orchestrated for me to, like, meet my family

540
00:38:36.710 --> 00:38:39.930
Speaker 1: beyond my family, right? Cool, you're
ready now. You're receptive enough. You've

541
00:38:39.950 --> 00:38:42.970
Speaker 1: been doing the practice, you've been
doing the meditation, you've been doing the

542
00:38:43.010 --> 00:38:48.070
Speaker 1: psychic stuff. You, you're open.
You're taking it seriously. Cool. We're gonna

543
00:38:48.110 --> 00:38:51.150
Speaker 1: engineer this experience for you.
It's not, we're gonna, not gonna abduct you.

544
00:38:51.670 --> 00:38:56.369
Speaker 1: You're not gonna go out of body.
We're gonna make it as gentle as possible. Here
we

545
00:38:56.430 --> 00:39:01.550
Speaker 1: go. Nice and gentle. And so I start
asking questions. Like, "Okay, who are you?" And

546
00:39:01.610 --> 00:39:06.490
Speaker 1: she starts talking. She said-- She
tells me that she created our souls a- and

547
00:39:06.550 --> 00:39:12.350
Speaker 1: another sibling, uh, who's not our
twin. Um, and um,

548
00:39:12.430 --> 00:39:16.710
Speaker 1: [chuckles] it's very emotional. Um,

549
00:39:18.210 --> 00:39:24.070
Speaker 1: so she's incredibly familiar to me
and very unbothered by, like, all this stuff.
I'm

550
00:39:24.130 --> 00:39:27.130
Speaker 1: cracking jokes or whatever, and she's
like-

551
00:39:27.170 --> 00:39:27.171
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm

552
00:39:27.190 --> 00:39:30.930
Speaker 1: ... like a monk. Just like nothing I
said could have made her upset. I think,

553
00:39:31.130 --> 00:39:34.630
Speaker 1: honestly, not that she couldn't be
upset, but you can tell this, I'm gonna, I don't

554
00:39:34.630 --> 00:39:38.750
Speaker 1: know how to describe it. Older souls,
how do you wanna frame this? Like, they are

555
00:39:38.770 --> 00:39:42.690
Speaker 1: not bothered by literally anything
that a child could do. Like, you could do it,
you

556
00:39:42.730 --> 00:39:46.470
Speaker 1: could stick up your middle finger and
moon them and they would, they would just

557
00:39:46.510 --> 00:39:52.490
Speaker 1: smile at you. It's like that. Um, so
I get hugged. Uh, I get,

558
00:39:52.630 --> 00:39:57.270
Speaker 1: like, the sense of a hug, like the
somatic sense of being hugged. Uh, and then I'm,

559
00:39:57.310 --> 00:40:01.450
Speaker 1: like, reassured about myself, my,
like, progress on some curriculum, 'cause that's

560
00:40:01.470 --> 00:40:05.150
Speaker 1: what's ex- I'm experiencing now, is a
curric- I'm going through some process of,

561
00:40:05.190 --> 00:40:09.750
Speaker 1: like, awakening or realization. And I
still didn't know what it was at that time.

562
00:40:10.710 --> 00:40:14.790
Speaker 1: And I just had been reassured, like,
I'm making good choices and that she was proud

563
00:40:14.830 --> 00:40:20.530
Speaker 1: of me. Uh, I'm like... [sighs] It's
bringing me to tears now. Um,

564
00:40:21.210 --> 00:40:26.990
Speaker 1: and then the rest is, uh, the
experience itself. The re- we

565
00:40:27.070 --> 00:40:31.230
Speaker 1: move into education from there.
That's like the, the personal lead in. This,
this is

566
00:40:31.270 --> 00:40:36.290
Speaker 1: who I am. I love you. I'm proud of
you. And then we get into it. I'll pause there.

567
00:40:37.730 --> 00:40:37.890
Speaker 2: Hmm.

568
00:40:40.210 --> 00:40:40.570
Speaker 2: Wow.

569
00:40:42.390 --> 00:40:43.250
Speaker 2: I wanna meet my mom.

570
00:40:44.870 --> 00:40:46.970
Speaker 2: I wanna meet my soul mom. [chuckles]

571
00:40:47.010 --> 00:40:49.230
Speaker 1: Yeah, man. I want everyone to meet
their soul parents or-

572
00:40:49.570 --> 00:40:49.610
Speaker 2: Yeah

573
00:40:49.610 --> 00:40:52.950
Speaker 1: ... siblings or... I think a lot of
them are adopted, by the way.

574
00:40:53.110 --> 00:40:53.130
Speaker 2: Hmm.

575
00:40:53.190 --> 00:40:57.770
Speaker 1: I think it's just, like, I think
there are, like, there's a, a relation that is
akin

576
00:40:57.810 --> 00:41:01.890
Speaker 1: to genetics. I don't know, you come
in in the same batch. I, I don't know. We'll get

577
00:41:01.950 --> 00:41:06.530
Speaker 1: into that. But I think a lot of it is
you meet people that you like, and you just

578
00:41:06.609 --> 00:41:10.670
Speaker 1: stick with them throughout multiple
lives or whatever, right? The heaven, whatever

579
00:41:10.710 --> 00:41:11.290
Speaker 1: you wanna call it.

580
00:41:15.290 --> 00:41:16.650
Speaker 2: Where did this being come from?

581
00:41:18.010 --> 00:41:18.930
Speaker 1: Where did she come from?

582
00:41:19.190 --> 00:41:19.430
Speaker 2: Yeah.

583
00:41:21.390 --> 00:41:21.830
Speaker 2: I guess we-

584
00:41:21.850 --> 00:41:21.930
Speaker 1: Uh

585
00:41:21.950 --> 00:41:23.870
Speaker 2: ... will get into that later.
[chuckles]

586
00:41:23.950 --> 00:41:28.110
Speaker 1: Yeah. We'll, we'll, we'll get into
that, uh, another time. Uh-

587
00:41:28.210 --> 00:41:28.250
Speaker 2: Okay

588
00:41:28.250 --> 00:41:32.830
Speaker 1: ... but there's a providence.
Everything comes from somebody or something. Uh-

589
00:41:33.230 --> 00:41:33.231
Speaker 2: Hmm

590
00:41:33.250 --> 00:41:37.450
Speaker 1: ... that I can say that much. Uh,
it's str- even souls. Uh, so

591
00:41:37.510 --> 00:41:43.150
Speaker 1: [chuckles] there you have it. Um,
some of it is more familiar than you would

592
00:41:43.190 --> 00:41:48.630
Speaker 1: expect. Um, so after that, um,

593
00:41:49.510 --> 00:41:52.870
Speaker 1: I am immediately snapped into a very
different state. We do the intro, like, "It's

594
00:41:52.930 --> 00:41:58.550
Speaker 1: cool," and then just like, bam. I'm
in a complete non-dual aware state.

595
00:41:59.330 --> 00:42:03.670
Speaker 1: So for people who don't know what
that's like, it is like experiencing yourself as
a

596
00:42:03.730 --> 00:42:09.330
Speaker 1: field of awareness. You... Ego
dissolution. You're no longer a person sitting
in a

597
00:42:09.370 --> 00:42:14.910
Speaker 1: chair. There is a person sitting in a
chair, but it's not you. You are everything

598
00:42:14.970 --> 00:42:19.650
Speaker 1: around you. You're experiencing
everything more or less as a field of stuff.
Now,

599
00:42:19.750 --> 00:42:22.830
Speaker 1: for me, when I'm awake and doing
this, it takes a while to get into this state.
It's

600
00:42:22.870 --> 00:42:27.510
Speaker 1: not easy. It's a lot of meditation.
You dissolve the sort of barrier between you and

601
00:42:27.550 --> 00:42:30.930
Speaker 1: the world. You're experiencing
thoughts and emotions and stuff, but there's no
real

602
00:42:30.990 --> 00:42:35.830
Speaker 1: sense of self, right? But still
centered on where you are, right? Um,

603
00:42:37.070 --> 00:42:42.390
Speaker 1: it takes time to get into that state.
This is like, bam. All right. Now you're

604
00:42:42.450 --> 00:42:47.330
Speaker 1: everything. And not just like a
regular, like, weak non-dual awareness. Like, I
am

605
00:42:48.010 --> 00:42:53.466
Speaker 1: everything. Like in an instant. So
I'm just laying in my bed. Yeah, I still--

606
00:42:53.726 --> 00:42:56.486
Speaker 1: There's a vague sense of my physical
body, but at this point, I'm no longer paying

607
00:42:56.546 --> 00:43:01.586
Speaker 1: attention to it at all. But now I am
in this black space, and

608
00:43:02.386 --> 00:43:08.226
Speaker 1: stuff is there. There are things
popping in, cars, trees, roads, buildings,
people.

609
00:43:09.506 --> 00:43:15.246
Speaker 1: And I am all of them. Like, I don't
mean in the sense that I feel like I am

610
00:43:15.306 --> 00:43:20.646
Speaker 1: everything. Like, I could feel like
they were composed out of me, like my body had

611
00:43:20.706 --> 00:43:26.186
Speaker 1: extended, and I could've moved a tree
limb like my fingers. Like, I was everything

612
00:43:26.266 --> 00:43:29.506
Speaker 1: in this space, right? Now, all this
stuff has been popped in. Again, like "The

613
00:43:29.546 --> 00:43:34.006
Speaker 1: Matrix." It's just pop, here it is.
And I-- It was just in an instant. Being

614
00:43:34.166 --> 00:43:38.326
Speaker 1: rocketed into a state like that at
the snap of your fingers is incredibly jarring.

615
00:43:39.006 --> 00:43:42.626
Speaker 1: Like, this is not the only time this
has happened in my life since then, but it's,

616
00:43:42.886 --> 00:43:48.326
Speaker 1: it's profound when it does. You're
like, "Okay, if I had any doubts before, I am...

617
00:43:48.686 --> 00:43:52.266
Speaker 1: My state has been flipped like a
light switch." They just go in and, "Let me hit

618
00:43:52.306 --> 00:43:57.826
Speaker 1: that switch real quick." [chuckles]
So I'm everything around me. I can feel it.

619
00:43:58.366 --> 00:44:03.586
Speaker 1: Um, it's like... And I'm experiencing
all of these insights at the same time, so I'm

620
00:44:03.646 --> 00:44:09.426
Speaker 1: just like, "Whoa." [chuckles] And she
starts

621
00:44:09.486 --> 00:44:13.706
Speaker 1: talking over what's happening. Like,
I can hear her thoughts. And she's explaining

622
00:44:13.746 --> 00:44:18.926
Speaker 1: what is happening, like asking
questions, like, "What is that?" Like the, the
car or

623
00:44:18.966 --> 00:44:22.706
Speaker 1: the tree. I'm like, "It's me. It's
me. It's all me." Like, we're talking back and

624
00:44:22.766 --> 00:44:28.306
Speaker 1: forth like a, a lecture, except the
projector screen is me being projected onto my

625
00:44:28.346 --> 00:44:32.946
Speaker 1: conscious awareness. All of this
stuff is just being rendered onto me. And she's

626
00:44:33.466 --> 00:44:37.306
Speaker 1: asking questions, seeing what I ask,
a little back and forth. It's like director's

627
00:44:37.366 --> 00:44:42.446
Speaker 1: commentary over a movie. It's
questions and answers. And I begin to realize
this is

628
00:44:42.506 --> 00:44:48.186
Speaker 1: a lecture, and she's telling me that,
"I'm going to show you how reality

629
00:44:48.286 --> 00:44:53.266
Speaker 1: works from the perspective of an
individual soul, because you don't know how it

630
00:44:53.326 --> 00:44:57.565
Speaker 1: works, and I can see that it's
hurting you. And I love you, and I want you to
know."

631
00:44:58.186 --> 00:45:03.806
Speaker 1: And I'm like, [chuckles] "Okay. Oh,
okay. That's all." It's, it's just gonna point

632
00:45:03.846 --> 00:45:06.086
Speaker 1: blank, "Here. Here's how it works.
It's..."

633
00:45:06.346 --> 00:45:06.426
Speaker 2: Hmm.

634
00:45:06.826 --> 00:45:11.446
Speaker 1: "You don't have to go read through a
bunch of old tomes. You don't need to guess.

635
00:45:11.766 --> 00:45:15.866
Speaker 1: Here, let me just show you directly.
I'm just gonna show you. Here it is. Here's how

636
00:45:15.906 --> 00:45:21.386
Speaker 1: it works." And I'm like, "Ah, I'm
everything." [chuckles] I'm feeling it. Um,

637
00:45:22.086 --> 00:45:27.686
Speaker 1: it's being rendered onto me, and I
can tell that it's composed out of me. Um, and

638
00:45:27.706 --> 00:45:32.486
Speaker 1: [chuckles] it's incredibly profound
and bizarre

639
00:45:33.106 --> 00:45:38.606
Speaker 1: experiencing this. And I'm... A lot
of what's happening from this point is I am

640
00:45:38.666 --> 00:45:43.046
Speaker 1: processing what I'm experiencing,
'cause I'm, people are walking around, cars are

641
00:45:43.106 --> 00:45:47.466
Speaker 1: doing stuff, and I'm like, "I'm all
of them. I don't have a body anymore." I'd

642
00:45:47.506 --> 00:45:50.706
Speaker 1: never, I didn't have one, but I was
centered on a point before. But now I'm just

643
00:45:50.766 --> 00:45:53.526
Speaker 1: like all this stuff. And-

644
00:45:53.586 --> 00:45:59.186
Speaker 2: Is the non-dual state, uh, in f- like
extending through physical reality, like from

645
00:45:59.226 --> 00:46:02.966
Speaker 2: where your body is? Or is it in the
imaginal space that she brought you into?

646
00:46:03.746 --> 00:46:09.006
Speaker 1: I had forgotten about my physical
body at this point. Um, it was there. If I had

647
00:46:09.086 --> 00:46:15.046
Speaker 1: really shook myself, I could've
gotten back to it. It wasn't gone. Uh, but it
was

648
00:46:15.106 --> 00:46:19.686
Speaker 1: as pushed far in the background as
you could, right? I wasn't unconscious. Uh, but

649
00:46:20.466 --> 00:46:25.606
Speaker 1: it was gone, gone. [chuckles] I was
not paying attention at all. Uh, couldn't, I

650
00:46:25.646 --> 00:46:29.806
Speaker 1: couldn't, 'cause what I was
experiencing in this imaginal state, right, was
so much

651
00:46:29.886 --> 00:46:34.806
Speaker 1: more vivid and intense. I couldn't
even think about it. If, imagine a cursory

652
00:46:34.846 --> 00:46:37.686
Speaker 1: thought floats through your
imagination right now while you're in the midst
of doing

653
00:46:37.726 --> 00:46:40.546
Speaker 1: something really important
physically. It's like that, but inverted.

654
00:46:40.986 --> 00:46:40.987
Speaker 2: Oh. [chuckles]

655
00:46:41.026 --> 00:46:46.206
Speaker 1: Now it's like, "Body? Huh? What is
that? I don't know what you're talking about.

656
00:46:46.226 --> 00:46:51.266
Speaker 1: [chuckles] Yeah, whatever. It's over
there somewhere, I think." Um, so that's what's

657
00:46:51.306 --> 00:46:56.846
Speaker 1: happening. And I, I'm hit with this
profound realization of, like, familiarity.

658
00:46:56.886 --> 00:47:02.886
Speaker 1: Like, oh my gosh, head to forehead,
hand to forehead, like duh. [chuckles] Like, of

659
00:47:02.946 --> 00:47:07.246
Speaker 1: course that's how it is. Like, but
not, I don't remember it being like this. It
just

660
00:47:07.305 --> 00:47:13.266
Speaker 1: feels obvious. Like, I can feel that
it's true. And my first reaction

661
00:47:13.366 --> 00:47:17.146
Speaker 1: after, "Well, duh," of course that
makes sense. Like, this is the obvious answer to

662
00:47:17.206 --> 00:47:20.226
Speaker 1: how everything would work. Like,
okay, this actually makes a lot more sense now
that

663
00:47:20.266 --> 00:47:25.366
Speaker 1: I'm feeling it. I'm just every, I'm
my entire reality. Okay, cool. That makes sense,

664
00:47:25.546 --> 00:47:31.246
Speaker 1: 'cause I'm feeling it, right,
directly. And then I'm immediately disappointed
at how

665
00:47:31.326 --> 00:47:36.446
Speaker 1: simple it all is. I'm like, "Oh my
God, this is how it works? I'm just everything?"

666
00:47:36.766 --> 00:47:41.526
Speaker 1: Like, that's how it actually works,
is like I'm literally just everything. And I'm

667
00:47:41.566 --> 00:47:43.986
Speaker 1: like, it's so simple. And it's like,

668
00:47:45.586 --> 00:47:51.446
Speaker 1: it's all just made up. Like, I'm just
every, I'm rendering my whole existence. Like,

669
00:47:51.666 --> 00:47:56.046
Speaker 1: I am everything I've ever interacted
with, everything I am, everything I feel. I'm

670
00:47:56.106 --> 00:48:01.726
Speaker 1: all the stuff. And I'm just
projecting it onto myself. And I'm,

671
00:48:02.106 --> 00:48:06.826
Speaker 1: I'm hit with, like, disappointment
and sadness. Like, it's so simple. And she

672
00:48:07.066 --> 00:48:12.226
Speaker 1: basically tells me, "Yep, that's all
it is. You are your entire reality. That's all

673
00:48:12.246 --> 00:48:16.526
Speaker 1: there is. From your, from the
perspective of an individual soul." She does,
there's

674
00:48:16.586 --> 00:48:21.046
Speaker 1: caveats of like, there's, there are
other things and configurations. There are other

675
00:48:21.086 --> 00:48:25.286
Speaker 1: levels of existence. You're connected
to other things in other ways. We're not

676
00:48:25.326 --> 00:48:29.386
Speaker 1: getting into that. From an individual
soul's perspective, so every human being here,

677
00:48:29.526 --> 00:48:32.586
Speaker 1: like that's what you should care
about. Like, [chuckles] this is what matters to

678
00:48:32.626 --> 00:48:37.226
Speaker 1: you. This is how it is. That's all
there ever is, is you. It's all just you. You're

679
00:48:37.306 --> 00:48:42.206
Speaker 1: always only interacting with
yourself. There's nothing else. And I'm sad.
Like, I'm

680
00:48:42.266 --> 00:48:46.326
Speaker 1: like immediately, like, disappointed.
[chuckles]

681
00:48:46.346 --> 00:48:46.566
Speaker 2: Hmm.

682
00:48:48.066 --> 00:48:52.426
Speaker 1: Um, but then I, I just find this,
like, moment of, like, inner courage, 'cause I'm

683
00:48:52.466 --> 00:48:57.654
Speaker 1: still experiencing everything. Like,
and I just say that- No. Like I decide that it

684
00:48:57.714 --> 00:49:01.934
Speaker 1: matters just like in that moment.
It's also like pure potential. And I'm like, I

685
00:49:01.974 --> 00:49:05.054
Speaker 1: decide what matters. Like,
ultimately, this is the only choice that
matters. Does,

686
00:49:05.254 --> 00:49:08.874
Speaker 1: does anything matter? Does nothing
matter or everything matter? I decide it's a

687
00:49:08.914 --> 00:49:12.294
Speaker 1: choice. They're two sides of the same
coin. There's nothing real or everything is

688
00:49:12.334 --> 00:49:16.434
Speaker 1: real. I decided that it's real. The
people, the stuff, all these things are real,

689
00:49:16.514 --> 00:49:20.434
Speaker 1: and then I say that they matter. Like
it... I choose that these things matter, even

690
00:49:20.454 --> 00:49:24.214
Speaker 1: though it is all just me. It's all
just made up, air quotes. It's the Dumbledore

691
00:49:24.254 --> 00:49:27.494
Speaker 1: Harry Potter quote right at the end
of the series, right? It's like, just be...

692
00:49:27.714 --> 00:49:30.714
Speaker 1: Harry's like, "Oh, this was all made
up." And he's like, "Well, just because it was

693
00:49:30.754 --> 00:49:33.794
Speaker 1: all made up, why do you think that
that means it isn't real?" You know, that's the

694
00:49:33.834 --> 00:49:39.314
Speaker 1: rough quote. Literally this, I'm
experiencing it now, and I'm like, well, this is

695
00:49:39.354 --> 00:49:43.134
Speaker 1: the only... What is the other choice?
Complete nihilism? Nothing matters? Like, who

696
00:49:43.174 --> 00:49:47.334
Speaker 1: cares? The Matrix is, is all there
is. Or-

697
00:49:47.474 --> 00:49:47.554
Speaker 2: Hmm

698
00:49:47.574 --> 00:49:53.254
Speaker 1: ... I decide that, well, that's all
there is, so I'm going to enjoy it. Uh, I'm

699
00:49:53.274 --> 00:49:54.314
Speaker 1: gonna find meaning in this.

700
00:49:55.714 --> 00:49:57.654
Speaker 2: Was that the disappointment, the
nihilism?

701
00:49:58.614 --> 00:50:01.414
Speaker 1: The disappointment was the simplicity
of it all. That like-

702
00:50:01.674 --> 00:50:01.675
Speaker 2: Hmm

703
00:50:01.674 --> 00:50:06.234
Speaker 1: ... oh, there's nothing else. It's
just me. And I, I started to feel profoundly

704
00:50:06.354 --> 00:50:12.354
Speaker 1: lonely as well. And, um, so but at
this point, my brain is burning out.

705
00:50:12.634 --> 00:50:18.134
Speaker 1: Like I am so exhausted from this, um,
sheer amount of things I've experienced. Um,

706
00:50:19.234 --> 00:50:24.554
Speaker 1: but yeah, it came from knowing that
it's all just this experience. It's just me. I'm

707
00:50:24.594 --> 00:50:27.834
Speaker 1: the only one here. I'm always the
only one here. I'm just-

708
00:50:27.974 --> 00:50:28.054
Speaker 2: Hmm

709
00:50:28.054 --> 00:50:33.954
Speaker 1: ... sock puppets with myself. And
like, and then I start to have a lot of
questions.

710
00:50:34.014 --> 00:50:38.514
Speaker 1: Like I'm, I've moved past the moment
of like nihilism, of like, dang, okay, well,

711
00:50:38.514 --> 00:50:43.494
Speaker 1: it's that simple. It's literally just
all me having the experience with myself. I

712
00:50:43.534 --> 00:50:47.514
Speaker 1: move past that 'cause then I wanna
know stuff. I'm like, well, wait a minute. Why
am

713
00:50:47.594 --> 00:50:52.354
Speaker 1: I not like this all the time? You
know? That's [chuckles] how... I'm gonna wake up

714
00:50:52.414 --> 00:50:56.414
Speaker 1: in a little bit or get up, and I know
this is gonna end, and I'm probably gonna go

715
00:50:56.454 --> 00:51:01.234
Speaker 1: back to a regular existence. Like
why, why am I not like this all the time? Why

716
00:51:01.274 --> 00:51:05.754
Speaker 1: can't I control it? If it's all me,
why can't I do whatever I want? And she responds

717
00:51:05.833 --> 00:51:11.774
Speaker 1: with, "Because you weren't aware of
it. It is this way, you just didn't realize

718
00:51:11.814 --> 00:51:15.994
Speaker 1: it, and you have to realize it in
order to control it." So awareness precedes

719
00:51:16.034 --> 00:51:20.934
Speaker 1: control. It's a very common like
lesson in all this stuff. You have to be aware
of

720
00:51:20.974 --> 00:51:24.974
Speaker 1: it, and not just in a conceptual way,
like I know that it is true, like you heard

721
00:51:25.054 --> 00:51:29.934
Speaker 1: about it and you believe it, but like
you're experiencing it. You are experiencing

722
00:51:29.994 --> 00:51:34.054
Speaker 1: the tree as your, as yourself. Then
you can do whatever you want. But you have to

723
00:51:34.134 --> 00:51:38.694
Speaker 1: reach... This is like a preview. This
is a preview of where I needed to go, and I

724
00:51:38.774 --> 00:51:43.394
Speaker 1: knew that intuitively. Like, oh, I'm
going to experience something like this in my

725
00:51:43.434 --> 00:51:49.274
Speaker 1: waking life at some point. And when I
get to that stage, that's how you can

726
00:51:49.334 --> 00:51:51.294
Speaker 1: fly around ignoring space-

727
00:51:51.294 --> 00:51:51.374
Speaker 2: [chuckles]

728
00:51:51.374 --> 00:51:54.274
Speaker 1: ... time in a UFO. That's how you can
do whatever you want, because you're

729
00:51:54.314 --> 00:51:54.654
Speaker 1: literally-

730
00:51:54.694 --> 00:51:54.695
Speaker 2: Hmm

731
00:51:54.694 --> 00:51:58.854
Speaker 1: ... just controlling your own
reality, like pfft, I do whatever I want. The
rules,

732
00:51:59.354 --> 00:52:03.854
Speaker 1: they're all soft rules. There are
rules. There are physics, there are metaphysics,

733
00:52:03.914 --> 00:52:08.754
Speaker 1: there's friction, there's energy,
there's... All of these things do stuff. There
are

734
00:52:08.814 --> 00:52:12.894
Speaker 1: rules. Every rule is a soft rule, and
if you have sufficient awareness, like direct

735
00:52:12.954 --> 00:52:17.554
Speaker 1: awareness, you can control anything.
It's your reality. It's you. It's always just

736
00:52:17.614 --> 00:52:23.014
Speaker 1: you. Every single soul has their own
reality, right? So this is what I'm getting in

737
00:52:23.054 --> 00:52:28.314
Speaker 1: these interactions. And, um, I wanna
know, okay, well that's, okay, sure. I just

738
00:52:28.354 --> 00:52:32.274
Speaker 1: gotta keep going. I gotta get to
this. I need to relive this awareness that I'm

739
00:52:32.314 --> 00:52:37.454
Speaker 1: experiencing now in this imagined,
like projectors, this matrix that you, this

740
00:52:37.494 --> 00:52:40.734
Speaker 1: simulation you dumped me in to show
me what it will feel like. I need to get to this

741
00:52:40.774 --> 00:52:44.734
Speaker 1: point in my waking life later. Cool,
I'm on board for that. But like how do I do

742
00:52:44.794 --> 00:52:47.554
Speaker 1: this? Like I don't know how to be a
tree. I don't know how cells work.

743
00:52:47.714 --> 00:52:47.734
Speaker 2: [chuckles]

744
00:52:47.794 --> 00:52:51.594
Speaker 1: I don't know how a combustion engine
is put together. Like I didn't imagine all the

745
00:52:51.634 --> 00:52:53.374
Speaker 1: parts of this building. And so-

746
00:52:53.414 --> 00:52:53.415
Speaker 2: Hmm

747
00:52:53.414 --> 00:52:58.194
Speaker 1: ... she like shows me like, you
imagine like you wanted to go to a building to
do

748
00:52:58.234 --> 00:53:01.694
Speaker 1: something or like a D&D campaign sort
of thing. Like, I'm gonna go do this thing,

749
00:53:02.294 --> 00:53:06.374
Speaker 1: and I see a building and stuff. You
didn't create the pipes. You didn't create the

750
00:53:06.414 --> 00:53:09.834
Speaker 1: wiring, but all of those things will
be there because your intention was to go to a

751
00:53:09.874 --> 00:53:15.034
Speaker 1: building for a purpose. And they will
appear in your consciousness, and you do not

752
00:53:15.074 --> 00:53:19.134
Speaker 1: need to know how to consciously do
it. Like hand wave, this is the magic of the

753
00:53:19.194 --> 00:53:23.814
Speaker 1: universe, right? Of, or God, or
however you wanna frame it, right? If there was

754
00:53:23.874 --> 00:53:29.234
Speaker 1: definitely a hand wave to something
greater beyond me. Yes, I am my own reality, but

755
00:53:29.274 --> 00:53:33.534
Speaker 1: there is a lot more than you, son.
And don't go thinking that like there is no-

756
00:53:33.734 --> 00:53:33.754
Speaker 2: Hmm

757
00:53:33.754 --> 00:53:39.414
Speaker 1: ... like anything bigger beyond you.
There definitely is. And one of those things is

758
00:53:39.474 --> 00:53:44.834
Speaker 1: this shared library of where all this
stuff comes from. Pipes, tools, people,

759
00:53:45.374 --> 00:53:51.314
Speaker 1: like stories, books, catchphrases,
like songs. Everything that has ever been
created

760
00:53:51.394 --> 00:53:56.394
Speaker 1: goes into this library, like a
blueprint library. So it's like, and I got this
sense

761
00:53:56.454 --> 00:54:00.054
Speaker 1: of like it is a profoundly like, I
don't know, like holy. Like if-

762
00:54:00.614 --> 00:54:00.634
Speaker 2: Hmm

763
00:54:00.634 --> 00:54:04.034
Speaker 1: ... this person did seem to have a
vague sort of religion, but it was not like any

764
00:54:04.054 --> 00:54:09.274
Speaker 1: of our religions. There was like this
profound sense of like holiness in creating

765
00:54:09.334 --> 00:54:14.594
Speaker 1: new things, and that by living, like
physical people living, anybody doing stuff,

766
00:54:14.974 --> 00:54:18.474
Speaker 1: they were contributing to this shared
library from which any of us can pull from.

767
00:54:19.174 --> 00:54:22.174
Speaker 1: When we go have, when we're creating
our own realities, we can only create things

768
00:54:22.194 --> 00:54:26.254
Speaker 1: that exist. And so we either have to
create it or we have to take it from our

769
00:54:26.294 --> 00:54:31.194
Speaker 1: forebears. It's a beautiful
inheritance of all this stuff that has been
made. And

770
00:54:31.234 --> 00:54:35.754
Speaker 1: our, the beauty of our souls, our
consciousness, it just knows how to put this

771
00:54:35.794 --> 00:54:39.094
Speaker 1: together to give us what we want. So
we only ever have to focus on what we actually

772
00:54:39.154 --> 00:54:44.414
Speaker 1: want, and the rest just boop, boop,
boop, boop puts itself together according to our

773
00:54:44.454 --> 00:54:48.914
Speaker 1: needs. You know, if you had complete
control, right? This is what I'm experiencing.

774
00:54:49.754 --> 00:54:50.094
Speaker 1: Um,

775
00:54:51.654 --> 00:54:56.194
Speaker 1: yeah. And then I, I, the last
question I had, because I'm tiring out at this
point,

776
00:54:56.314 --> 00:54:59.614
Speaker 1: is how are there other people? I know
there are other people and they're real. Like

777
00:54:59.654 --> 00:55:03.838
Speaker 1: you're real. I'm interacting with
you. This isn't all me. She's like, "Nope." This

778
00:55:03.898 --> 00:55:09.458
Speaker 1: is all you. Even your experience of
me is you. Like again, like a puppet. Uh, but I

779
00:55:09.538 --> 00:55:13.678
Speaker 1: can't-- I know there are... This is a
multiplayer game. She's like, "It is, but we

780
00:55:13.718 --> 00:55:17.858
Speaker 1: don't... You're..." She starts to
talk about it, and I have to stop her. And I'm

781
00:55:17.878 --> 00:55:23.778
Speaker 1: like, "I am so excited. I am
absolutely thrilled. I wanna know this

782
00:55:23.818 --> 00:55:27.478
Speaker 1: more than I wanna know anything, but
you have given me so much." Like I just learned

783
00:55:27.518 --> 00:55:30.698
Speaker 1: that I'm my entire reality. I'm like,
a bunch of other stuff has happened to me.

784
00:55:30.818 --> 00:55:34.958
Speaker 1: [chuckles] You're real, and I'm
feeling it, right? I'm-- you didn't tell me, you

785
00:55:35.298 --> 00:55:39.738
Speaker 1: showed me. I felt what it was like.
And all of this other stuff that I just talked

786
00:55:39.818 --> 00:55:43.858
Speaker 1: about, and my brain is absolutely
melting. I am so hot, I feel like I've had a

787
00:55:43.938 --> 00:55:49.878
Speaker 1: fever. Like, I am like melting down
as a human being. The physical body is now like,

788
00:55:50.018 --> 00:55:55.858
Speaker 1: "Uh-oh." [laughs] We are g- critical
meltdown. Like, "You cannot tell me a

789
00:55:56.098 --> 00:55:59.638
Speaker 1: single more thing." That's basically
the exact quote. "You cannot say one more thing

790
00:55:59.678 --> 00:56:04.398
Speaker 1: to me or I am going to have a
psychotic break or my brain is going to explode.
You,

791
00:56:04.458 --> 00:56:10.418
Speaker 1: you have got to stop. No more." And
then she just smiles and s- basically

792
00:56:10.478 --> 00:56:15.558
Speaker 1: says she loves me and says, "Okay."
And then [snap] it's gone. I'm awake in my bed

793
00:56:15.658 --> 00:56:19.958
Speaker 1: instantly, just like that. It's
completely gone. I'm just laying there like,
"Ugh."

794
00:56:19.958 --> 00:56:25.638
Speaker 1: [chuckles] Looking at the ceiling
now, like, "Whoa! Okay. Hello. I'm no longer

795
00:56:25.698 --> 00:56:29.558
Speaker 1: everything in this simulation. I'm
this guy in a bed." And-

796
00:56:29.638 --> 00:56:29.878
Speaker 2: [chuckles]

797
00:56:29.898 --> 00:56:34.658
Speaker 1: ... it's, that's it. And I'm just
laying there. So that's the end of that

798
00:56:34.718 --> 00:56:37.758
Speaker 1: experience. [chuckles]

799
00:56:37.798 --> 00:56:43.338
Speaker 2: Hmm. Wow. Yeah, I, I only heard parts
of that, I think, before, so I'm, I was just

800
00:56:43.378 --> 00:56:49.018
Speaker 2: like riveted. [laughs] Oh, I just, I
don't even know where to begin with

801
00:56:50.058 --> 00:56:50.338
Speaker 2: diving deeper-

802
00:56:50.378 --> 00:56:51.118
Speaker 1: Wherever you want, man

803
00:56:51.138 --> 00:56:55.378
Speaker 2: ... honestly. Like it's just, I feel
like it's just, uh, so fascinating, man. And,

804
00:56:56.318 --> 00:56:56.638
Speaker 2: um,

805
00:56:58.958 --> 00:57:03.318
Speaker 2: well, the library things, you know,
I've heard of the Akashic Record and, you know,

806
00:57:03.438 --> 00:57:08.978
Speaker 2: people talk about that, and other
spiritual explorers have been to those

807
00:57:09.098 --> 00:57:11.638
Speaker 2: spaces. It's just, um,

808
00:57:13.298 --> 00:57:17.358
Speaker 2: interesting to think about that and
like how lived experience then is kind of like

809
00:57:19.038 --> 00:57:21.478
Speaker 2: this process of generating more

810
00:57:23.238 --> 00:57:25.158
Speaker 2: that goes into this vast store.

811
00:57:26.718 --> 00:57:31.418
Speaker 2: Um, and then I also thought it was
interesting about the, the sock puppets like

812
00:57:31.578 --> 00:57:35.938
Speaker 2: [chuckles] so you didn't really get a
response on that. I mean, she said, you said

813
00:57:35.978 --> 00:57:40.978
Speaker 2: like, "I'm talking to someone," but
it was like, no, you're talking to yourself. But

814
00:57:41.118 --> 00:57:45.978
Speaker 2: so she's also you. I guess in that
sense, you're me and I'm you, so we're just

815
00:57:46.038 --> 00:57:49.658
Speaker 2: talking to ourse- I'm just talking to
myself and talking to you. [laughs]

816
00:57:49.898 --> 00:57:50.158
Speaker 1: Yeah, man.

817
00:57:50.198 --> 00:57:53.838
Speaker 2: But I guess you, you also had another
experience which was reality 102, and that's

818
00:57:53.878 --> 00:57:55.178
Speaker 2: the multiplayer reality, right?

819
00:57:56.198 --> 00:57:57.478
Speaker 1: Yeah. So spoiler-

820
00:57:57.598 --> 00:57:59.918
Speaker 2: That's gonna be, that's a future
lesson. Yeah, we'll get into that later, I
guess,

821
00:57:59.998 --> 00:58:00.078
Speaker 2: huh?

822
00:58:00.498 --> 00:58:04.098
Speaker 1: This is at the end of December,
right? So this is five months ago now. A little
more

823
00:58:04.138 --> 00:58:10.038
Speaker 1: than five mo- five and a half almost.
And for four months and

824
00:58:10.078 --> 00:58:15.958
Speaker 1: some change maybe, I've been begging.
Like, "Yo, give me the follow-up. I want the

825
00:58:16.138 --> 00:58:17.218
Speaker 1: 102." Nope.

826
00:58:17.238 --> 00:58:17.358
Speaker 2: Hmm.

827
00:58:17.918 --> 00:58:21.398
Speaker 1: Nothing. Nothing. Now, an incredible
amount of things happened to me in that time

828
00:58:21.438 --> 00:58:26.958
Speaker 1: period, but none, no follow-up, no
direct instruction on this topic. Other topics,

829
00:58:27.058 --> 00:58:32.918
Speaker 1: which is maddening, but not like
this. Not to this fidelity. And, um, yeah, I'd

830
00:58:32.938 --> 00:58:38.818
Speaker 1: been begging. Like I-- it, it
bothered me. Like how am I, I've, how am I not
alone?

831
00:58:38.858 --> 00:58:43.258
Speaker 1: How are we each not alone? I know
these other people are real. And the only thing
I

832
00:58:43.298 --> 00:58:48.758
Speaker 1: had gotten was like an intuitive
sense that we were projecting onto each other.
And

833
00:58:48.818 --> 00:58:50.358
Speaker 1: I'd only been given the sense that

834
00:58:52.258 --> 00:58:55.198
Speaker 1: it only happens because you don't
know about it, right? This was another thing
that

835
00:58:55.218 --> 00:59:00.138
Speaker 1: was given to me, um, was in part of
the lecture near the end was like

836
00:59:01.778 --> 00:59:05.178
Speaker 1: h- I'm not making this happen, so how
is it happening to me? Like there's another

837
00:59:05.238 --> 00:59:09.358
Speaker 1: person there. Like how does, how does
this happen? And that this can only happen to

838
00:59:09.398 --> 00:59:13.378
Speaker 1: you, anything can only happen to you
because you're not aware that it's you. So

839
00:59:13.438 --> 00:59:17.638
Speaker 1: you're just at the mercy of
whatever's going on, buddy. Like that's
[chuckles] like

840
00:59:17.758 --> 00:59:21.718
Speaker 1: you're gonna receive, you're the
screen, man. You can't stop anything. Not
really.

841
00:59:21.758 --> 00:59:24.818
Speaker 1: You have some, you have some control,
but you don't have this level of awareness

842
00:59:24.857 --> 00:59:29.538
Speaker 1: that I'm basically giving you right
now. So you can't shut it down. Like you--

843
00:59:29.898 --> 00:59:33.618
Speaker 1: because you're not aware that it's
you. If you knew that it was you and that you

844
00:59:33.698 --> 00:59:38.178
Speaker 1: were your entire reality, you could
control anything. You could literally do

845
00:59:38.238 --> 00:59:42.598
Speaker 1: anything. You could have any
experience. You could do anything you wanted,
but it

846
00:59:42.638 --> 00:59:46.518
Speaker 1: would be you. And this was the part
that I hung u- got hung up on 'cause I'd never

847
00:59:46.558 --> 00:59:50.878
Speaker 1: got the answer in this experience. In
the 101, it's like, okay, I get that, but like

848
00:59:51.418 --> 00:59:54.358
Speaker 1: it's still just me. Like you're like
a bubble person where people are reaching in

849
00:59:54.398 --> 00:59:58.798
Speaker 1: with their gloves and like touching
you. Like [chuckles] maybe. Like I don't know.

850
00:59:59.218 --> 01:00:02.318
Speaker 1: How can I tell the difference? Like
it's all me. I'm interacting with myself

851
01:00:03.058 --> 01:00:07.538
Speaker 1: everywhere, all the time. Uh, and I
wanted to know how, but I didn't get that until

852
01:00:08.678 --> 01:00:09.258
Speaker 1: like a month ago.

853
01:00:09.798 --> 01:00:09.878
Speaker 2: Hmm.

854
01:00:09.998 --> 01:00:13.158
Speaker 1: And, uh, yeah. So there were
follow-ups to this. Stay tuned. That'll,
[chuckles]

855
01:00:13.198 --> 01:00:18.218
Speaker 1: that'll be another episode. But for
now, there you have it. And for the creatives

856
01:00:18.278 --> 01:00:23.918
Speaker 1: out there, keep making stuff because
now you know, like if you ever doubt that

857
01:00:23.958 --> 01:00:28.218
Speaker 1: something you made had any value at
all, like in a lot of ways, as far as other

858
01:00:28.238 --> 01:00:31.438
Speaker 1: people are concerned, this is one of
the only things that have enduring permanent

859
01:00:31.478 --> 01:00:36.398
Speaker 1: value is your book or your music or
your ideas or the thing you put together because

860
01:00:36.478 --> 01:00:39.898
Speaker 1: it's automatically made available to
somebody else, whether they knew it or not.

861
01:00:40.218 --> 01:00:45.638
Speaker 1: Your inventions, your concepts, all
of this, your poetry, uh, anything

862
01:00:46.298 --> 01:00:50.078
Speaker 1: can be made available to somebody
else once it's been created. They may think it's

863
01:00:50.138 --> 01:00:53.518
Speaker 1: theirs. [chuckles] I mean, don't
begrudge somebody in their own dimension-

864
01:00:53.518 --> 01:00:53.638
Speaker 2: [chuckles]

865
01:00:53.658 --> 01:00:56.438
Speaker 1: ... or whatever for thinking they
came up with the idea, but-

866
01:00:56.878 --> 01:00:56.879
Speaker 2: Yeah

867
01:00:56.878 --> 01:01:01.178
Speaker 1: ... you will know that it was yours,
and you made that possible for them. This, in a

868
01:01:01.258 --> 01:01:05.846
Speaker 1: lot of ways, is the only way we can
ever make progress. ... is by creating this

869
01:01:05.926 --> 01:01:09.586
Speaker 1: stuff. Uh, so nobody's life is ever
wasted. You've always made some contribution.

870
01:01:10.046 --> 01:01:10.146
Speaker 2: Mm.

871
01:01:10.186 --> 01:01:16.066
Speaker 1: And creative acts are, as it felt,
ultimately like a beautiful,

872
01:01:16.446 --> 01:01:20.506
Speaker 1: benevolent, like, tantamount to,
like, a holy act is, [chuckles] is what it felt

873
01:01:20.545 --> 01:01:24.466
Speaker 1: like. With reverence, right? It was
treated with reverence, not silliness. Like,

874
01:01:25.206 --> 01:01:28.126
Speaker 1: because you've created something that
will last for eternity.

875
01:01:29.086 --> 01:01:29.087
Speaker 2: Mm.

876
01:01:29.106 --> 01:01:33.486
Speaker 1: For everybody, for all of the
universe, for every living soul can have it now.

877
01:01:36.146 --> 01:01:40.186
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes me think of, um,
I've talked about this in other places, but, um,

878
01:01:40.366 --> 01:01:44.906
Speaker 2: [lip smacks] and I guess going back
to what I was sharing earlier about my own

879
01:01:44.946 --> 01:01:48.966
Speaker 2: creative journey, I used to think
that ideas came from my own head or-

880
01:01:49.006 --> 01:01:49.146
Speaker 1: Yeah

881
01:01:49.386 --> 01:01:53.186
Speaker 2: ... um, that if I thought harder, you
know, that's how I, you know, if I strained

882
01:01:53.226 --> 01:01:57.406
Speaker 2: enough, then the good words would
come out or the good stories would come out. Um,

883
01:01:57.526 --> 01:02:01.866
Speaker 2: but the more that I learned to let go
and release control and become a channel, I

884
01:02:01.926 --> 01:02:07.166
Speaker 2: felt I was tapping into something
beyond me. And I'd read this book called "Big

885
01:02:07.226 --> 01:02:13.226
Speaker 2: Magic" by Elizabeth Gilbert, and she
says that she had an experience where

886
01:02:13.306 --> 01:02:19.306
Speaker 2: she was working for years on a novel,
and at some point her life

887
01:02:19.386 --> 01:02:23.906
Speaker 2: kind of, um, got beyond her and she
couldn't keep working on this project anymore.

888
01:02:24.766 --> 01:02:29.366
Speaker 2: Uh, and then a couple of years later,
she met, uh, another novelist friend of hers

889
01:02:29.786 --> 01:02:34.986
Speaker 2: who had ended up writing a book that
was almost exactly the same book. It was, like,

890
01:02:35.066 --> 01:02:39.826
Speaker 2: the same characters, the same
setting, uh, the same major conflicts and
everything.

891
01:02:39.846 --> 01:02:43.986
Speaker 2: And maybe it was, like, slightly
different in, you know, significant ways, but it

892
01:02:44.006 --> 01:02:47.166
Speaker 2: was like, wait, that was the book I
was writing. [chuckles] So somehow-

893
01:02:47.246 --> 01:02:47.247
Speaker 1: Yeah

894
01:02:47.246 --> 01:02:52.066
Speaker 2: ... this, this novel went from
Elizabeth Gilbert's head into, I think it was
Ann

895
01:02:52.126 --> 01:02:55.846
Speaker 2: Patchett maybe. I don't know who the
other novelist was. But yeah.

896
01:02:56.106 --> 01:02:56.126
Speaker 1: Yeah.

897
01:02:56.166 --> 01:03:00.446
Speaker 2: She ended up writing it. So it was
like that, that novel Elizabeth Gilbert was

898
01:03:00.486 --> 01:03:02.146
Speaker 2: writing didn't go to waste. It was
like-

899
01:03:02.546 --> 01:03:02.806
Speaker 1: Nothing is wasted

900
01:03:02.806 --> 01:03:05.766
Speaker 2: ... it was either, like, it was
either, like, maybe... Uh, so my idea is that,
like,

901
01:03:06.446 --> 01:03:12.406
Speaker 2: there's, uh, a story that's existing
in, uh, a, a non-physical realm

902
01:03:12.446 --> 01:03:16.426
Speaker 2: that's trying to come through me into
this physical realm,

903
01:03:18.266 --> 01:03:23.486
Speaker 2: and then I'm availing myself, uh, as
a channel to help that happen. But it's maybe

904
01:03:23.526 --> 01:03:27.826
Speaker 2: working with all these other people.
The, the effort that I make to bring it forth,

905
01:03:28.526 --> 01:03:34.166
Speaker 2: uh, is also helping them, you know? I
also think about, like, uh, was it Darwin and

906
01:03:35.006 --> 01:03:39.126
Speaker 2: Wallace, right? They both were
working on, uh, the theory of evolution in
different

907
01:03:39.186 --> 01:03:41.346
Speaker 2: parts of the world without knowing,
you know-

908
01:03:41.366 --> 01:03:41.386
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm

909
01:03:41.446 --> 01:03:45.766
Speaker 2: ... of each other's work. But Darwin
was the one who, you know, popularized his idea

910
01:03:45.826 --> 01:03:50.966
Speaker 2: first, so he's the one who's credited
for it. So we don't really actually own those

911
01:03:51.006 --> 01:03:54.186
Speaker 2: things in the way that copyright law
and publishers would wanna-

912
01:03:54.206 --> 01:03:54.486
Speaker 1: Yeah

913
01:03:54.486 --> 01:03:56.806
Speaker 2: ... say that we do. It's really
interesting.

914
01:03:56.906 --> 01:04:00.346
Speaker 1: So that's coming from the other
direction. That's ideas coming into your world
for

915
01:04:00.366 --> 01:04:00.426
Speaker 1: you-

916
01:04:00.446 --> 01:04:00.566
Speaker 2: Yeah

917
01:04:00.566 --> 01:04:03.606
Speaker 1: ... to work on them or 'cause it's
time for them to show up or whatever, right?

918
01:04:04.926 --> 01:04:04.927
Speaker 2: Right.

919
01:04:04.966 --> 01:04:08.006
Speaker 1: The g- it's, it's a two-way street.
[chuckles]

920
01:04:08.046 --> 01:04:08.306
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Mm.

921
01:04:08.386 --> 01:04:11.066
Speaker 1: Uh, that's pretty cool. Yeah, I, I
totally buy that as well.

922
01:04:11.966 --> 01:04:12.126
Speaker 2: Hmm.

923
01:04:13.846 --> 01:04:17.526
Speaker 2: Oh, man, this is, uh, such a vibrant
conversation, and I'm really excited to dive in

924
01:04:17.566 --> 01:04:21.646
Speaker 2: on reality one or two. I have some
ideas about where you're going with that, but I

925
01:04:21.686 --> 01:04:25.146
Speaker 2: think I'll save them for our next
conversation 'cause, uh, we're already getting
to

926
01:04:25.206 --> 01:04:30.606
Speaker 2: about an hour. So I'm wondering now
if you wanna check in and just, like, see, uh,

927
01:04:31.286 --> 01:04:36.226
Speaker 2: yeah, having shared the story, uh,
brought it into awareness and shared it in this

928
01:04:36.326 --> 01:04:41.766
Speaker 2: space, uh, do you have any
reflections on, uh, or meaning you're making of
that now?

929
01:04:44.186 --> 01:04:47.706
Speaker 1: Well, it's hard not to leak in some
of the stuff I've experienced since then. Um,

930
01:04:48.006 --> 01:04:53.806
Speaker 1: but I'll just as a spoiler, I have
had this experience, or one very like it now, in

931
01:04:53.846 --> 01:04:59.746
Speaker 1: a waking state, uh, which I did not
see coming. Uh, I should have. Like, in the

932
01:04:59.806 --> 01:05:02.966
Speaker 1: telling of the story, it seems like
it all, like, fits together sequentially, but

933
01:05:03.086 --> 01:05:06.046
Speaker 1: it's such a mess. There's, like, 50
things going on all the time. You're like, you

934
01:05:06.086 --> 01:05:07.106
Speaker 1: don't know which is real-

935
01:05:07.146 --> 01:05:07.147
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm

936
01:05:07.146 --> 01:05:11.786
Speaker 1: ... which is made up, which is I
think there's something. And then suddenly, bam,
a

937
01:05:11.886 --> 01:05:17.526
Speaker 1: feeling, what was an inclination or
an intuition. I took my intuition and

938
01:05:17.566 --> 01:05:21.306
Speaker 1: imagination and all these inner
senses very seriously to get to this point, and
then

939
01:05:21.366 --> 01:05:26.826
Speaker 1: suddenly, bam, you get hit with this
high fidelity, low error experience that you

940
01:05:26.866 --> 01:05:32.066
Speaker 1: can't ignore. It's in your face. And
I got validation after this, by the way. Uh, I

941
01:05:32.506 --> 01:05:38.306
Speaker 1: didn't have time to get into that,
uh, but I would later, um, see things

942
01:05:38.406 --> 01:05:44.346
Speaker 1: and get physical world confirmation
that this had happened, um, just as a

943
01:05:44.386 --> 01:05:49.446
Speaker 1: courtesy, I think. [chuckles] For my
own sanity. Uh, because the doubt, uh, is, is

944
01:05:49.506 --> 01:05:52.326
Speaker 1: such a pervasive thing. You can-- How
can you imagine doubting after this? But

945
01:05:52.966 --> 01:05:58.246
Speaker 1: that's what happens. Um, but I took
these inner senses seriously long enough for

946
01:05:58.306 --> 01:06:03.466
Speaker 1: them to show up in my world. That's
really what happened, is that, like, I was

947
01:06:03.526 --> 01:06:07.106
Speaker 1: willing to play in this sort of maybe
space of, like, taking it seriously, like, no,

948
01:06:07.786 --> 01:06:11.506
Speaker 1: these emotions, these are people.
Like, [chuckles] this, this is happening, like,

949
01:06:11.806 --> 01:06:14.926
Speaker 1: somewhere. I'm not getting it all
right, I know that. There's a lot of noise, but
I

950
01:06:15.066 --> 01:06:19.806
Speaker 1: know there's something here. I took
it seriously long enough, then bam. You get hit

951
01:06:19.846 --> 01:06:25.106
Speaker 1: with, like, oh, okay, you're right in
front of me. This is for real, for real. And

952
01:06:25.166 --> 01:06:29.806
Speaker 1: you're just telling me all of this
and, like, it in all comports and, and it's,
it's

953
01:06:29.866 --> 01:06:34.326
Speaker 1: testable. You're getting models that
fit, uh, and you can try things, or you're

954
01:06:34.346 --> 01:06:39.106
Speaker 1: getting advice or definitions to
things, um, that you can test in the real world.

955
01:06:39.346 --> 01:06:43.146
Speaker 1: And that started happening. But it
came from being willing to entertain a thing
that

956
01:06:43.186 --> 01:06:48.386
Speaker 1: didn't feel real, uh, for a long
time, as it gradually became more real. It was

957
01:06:48.426 --> 01:06:53.306
Speaker 1: incredibly frustrating, and that
that's what made it happen, and if you can hold

958
01:06:53.386 --> 01:06:58.306
Speaker 1: onto that long enough... But there
was also accountability, right? I insisted on,

959
01:06:58.366 --> 01:07:03.366
Speaker 1: like, validation. I insisted on doing
it right, and a lot of the stuff that I

960
01:07:03.386 --> 01:07:07.506
Speaker 1: experienced that was traumatic was
made up. Like, just hearing thoughts or, like,

961
01:07:07.606 --> 01:07:11.446
Speaker 1: ideas that, like, you imagine, like,
somebody saying they hate you after, like, you

962
01:07:11.486 --> 01:07:15.242
Speaker 1: know, all this time. Like, what the
[chuckles] What do you mean you hate me? What is

963
01:07:15.302 --> 01:07:20.642
Speaker 1: this? And like a lot of those things
didn't happen, but they did kind of happen.

964
01:07:21.102 --> 01:07:24.942
Speaker 1: We'll get into that later too,
because it's your reality, right?

965
01:07:25.022 --> 01:07:25.102
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

966
01:07:26.182 --> 01:07:32.022
Speaker 1: Your insecurities, your fears, your
hopes, your dreams, uh, even especially

967
01:07:32.162 --> 01:07:36.702
Speaker 1: the dark subconscious stuff that you
don't wanna pretend is there, that's all

968
01:07:38.122 --> 01:07:41.962
Speaker 1: deeply influencing the very real
physical reality you see in front of you.

969
01:07:42.422 --> 01:07:42.442
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

970
01:07:42.462 --> 01:07:47.222
Speaker 1: It's changing what is possible and
what will happen to you. Uh, the physical world

971
01:07:47.282 --> 01:07:52.382
Speaker 1: is not as malleable as like this
astral place, but it runs by the same principles

972
01:07:52.442 --> 01:07:57.402
Speaker 1: ultimately. Maybe at a slower
cadence, generally speaking, more ordered, but
it

973
01:07:57.482 --> 01:08:01.722
Speaker 1: fundamentally works in the same way,
right? Just think of it as having more mass.

974
01:08:02.302 --> 01:08:03.562
Speaker 1: It's harder to get stuff moving.

975
01:08:03.782 --> 01:08:03.783
Speaker 2: Hmm.

976
01:08:03.802 --> 01:08:08.882
Speaker 1: But it works on the same principles.
So all of these like parts of yourself are also

977
01:08:08.942 --> 01:08:11.522
Speaker 1: creating the world, and you're
experiencing them too.

978
01:08:12.482 --> 01:08:12.483
Speaker 2: Hmm.

979
01:08:12.582 --> 01:08:18.422
Speaker 1: Uh, so as you, you know, as I went
through this, and anyone else, just

980
01:08:18.482 --> 01:08:22.262
Speaker 1: treat your experience, your
non-physical experiences very seriously. They
are

981
01:08:22.322 --> 01:08:28.062
Speaker 1: happening. Like it's... But it's
always you. [chuckles] It's

982
01:08:28.162 --> 01:08:34.042
Speaker 1: always you. Uh, everything is always
you, and that is extremely

983
01:08:34.082 --> 01:08:39.962
Speaker 1: confusing and profound and simple.
Uh, we'll get into obviously later, like

984
01:08:40.022 --> 01:08:42.302
Speaker 1: how, how is it not always you? It's,
it's clearly-

985
01:08:42.342 --> 01:08:42.382
Speaker 2: Hmm

986
01:08:42.382 --> 01:08:46.062
Speaker 1: ... like there are other people and
stuff here. But this is true, like full stop.

987
01:08:46.942 --> 01:08:50.402
Speaker 1: You're always only interacting with
yourself. And, um-

988
01:08:50.602 --> 01:08:50.802
Speaker 2: Hmm

989
01:08:50.822 --> 01:08:56.822
Speaker 1: ... a lot of that comes from your
unconscious parts. Uh, and

990
01:08:56.982 --> 01:09:02.042
Speaker 1: so I think the final point I wanted
to make about all this experience was that the

991
01:09:02.082 --> 01:09:05.562
Speaker 1: way all of this happened to me was
like personal growth. It didn't happen because I

992
01:09:06.162 --> 01:09:09.802
Speaker 1: went on a drug bender, or I learned
some secret technique, or some magic spell

993
01:09:09.862 --> 01:09:10.002
Speaker 1: where-

994
01:09:10.422 --> 01:09:10.482
Speaker 2: Hmm

995
01:09:10.482 --> 01:09:15.642
Speaker 1: ... got hypnotized or like it didn't
happen because I was at some horrible point in

996
01:09:15.662 --> 01:09:18.702
Speaker 1: my life. Like I had been better than
I ever was. I'd been on a trajectory of

997
01:09:18.762 --> 01:09:22.841
Speaker 1: personal growth for years, and I was
taking spiritual and non-physical stuff very

998
01:09:22.901 --> 01:09:27.242
Speaker 1: seriously, uh, 'cause it started
happening to me. I didn't ask for it. It just

999
01:09:27.282 --> 01:09:31.242
Speaker 1: started showing up. And the more
seriously I took it, the more it happened. But
all

1000
01:09:31.302 --> 01:09:35.382
Speaker 1: of this stuff, even this experience,
I was looking through my journals. Immediately

1001
01:09:35.402 --> 01:09:38.822
Speaker 1: preceding this were moments of
profound personal growth where I'd accepted
parts of

1002
01:09:38.862 --> 01:09:41.462
Speaker 1: myself that I didn't like, I didn't
wanna admit.

1003
01:09:41.922 --> 01:09:41.923
Speaker 2: Hmm.

1004
01:09:41.942 --> 01:09:45.442
Speaker 1: And then I'd accepted them, and I was
beginning to move on, or relationships with

1005
01:09:45.502 --> 01:09:48.502
Speaker 1: other people, or about what I really
wanted or what I actually feared, like I

1006
01:09:48.562 --> 01:09:53.002
Speaker 1: dragged that stuff out into the light
and accepted it. And that had happened right

1007
01:09:53.042 --> 01:09:56.762
Speaker 1: before this. And when I look back at
the, a lot of the major experiences, they

1008
01:09:56.882 --> 01:10:02.522
Speaker 1: always happen following periods of
profound personal growth. That's how you get

1009
01:10:02.982 --> 01:10:05.962
Speaker 1: psychic powers and see UFOs and meet
your soul family is-

1010
01:10:05.962 --> 01:10:06.482
Speaker 2: [chuckles]

1011
01:10:06.502 --> 01:10:08.122
Speaker 1: ... become a better, happier person.

1012
01:10:08.582 --> 01:10:08.583
Speaker 2: Hmm.

1013
01:10:08.622 --> 01:10:13.082
Speaker 1: More open, more accepting and
self-loving, less judgmental. Like that is what

1014
01:10:13.142 --> 01:10:17.182
Speaker 1: created this experience just as much
as taking it seriously and wanting it. Like I

1015
01:10:17.222 --> 01:10:21.722
Speaker 1: was seeking this for a really long
time. You do those three things, like you can

1016
01:10:21.762 --> 01:10:27.682
Speaker 1: have the same experience. Um, but
yeah, it's always you. Just because it's, it
feels

1017
01:10:27.762 --> 01:10:32.702
Speaker 1: imaginary doesn't mean it's fake,
because it's, it's all that.

1018
01:10:33.062 --> 01:10:33.063
Speaker 2: Hmm.

1019
01:10:33.102 --> 01:10:38.842
Speaker 1: It's all you. [chuckles] It's, "Oh,
this is just me," is always true. Yes, it is

1020
01:10:38.902 --> 01:10:44.062
Speaker 1: just me. Um, and so that was one of
the biggest takeaways from that, and it took a

1021
01:10:44.122 --> 01:10:48.542
Speaker 1: long time for that to sink in, and I
needed a lot more personal examples. This isn't

1022
01:10:48.602 --> 01:10:52.742
Speaker 1: a thing you can be told. Being told
just helps you take it seriously and put

1023
01:10:52.902 --> 01:10:57.402
Speaker 1: yourself on the path to go experience
it yourself. Everyone needs to experience it

1024
01:10:57.442 --> 01:11:01.182
Speaker 1: yourself, and you can, and then you
will know. You'll put your hand to your forehead

1025
01:11:01.222 --> 01:11:03.602
Speaker 1: and go, "Oh my God, it really is just
me."

1026
01:11:03.722 --> 01:11:04.882
Speaker 2: [chuckles]

1027
01:11:04.882 --> 01:11:06.042
Speaker 1: That, that's available to anyone.

1028
01:11:07.202 --> 01:11:07.442
Speaker 2: Hmm.

1029
01:11:09.782 --> 01:11:15.242
Speaker 2: Wow. Well, yeah, I'm feeling
encouraged and, uh, excited to try out some of
these

1030
01:11:15.282 --> 01:11:20.182
Speaker 2: things myself. I'm already doing some
of that and getting little glimpses of some of

1031
01:11:20.222 --> 01:11:24.382
Speaker 2: the things that you're talking about
in some of my liminal states and meditations.

1032
01:11:25.582 --> 01:11:31.542
Speaker 2: Um, but yeah, just, uh, honored to
hold space for your story today and to,

1033
01:11:32.922 --> 01:11:33.902
Speaker 2: yeah, be able to create this

1034
01:11:35.902 --> 01:11:40.842
Speaker 2: series with you. I'm excited to go
deeper in all of these and, uh, see what unfolds

1035
01:11:40.902 --> 01:11:43.582
Speaker 2: as we begin, continue to explore
this, so.

1036
01:11:44.242 --> 01:11:44.542
Speaker 1: Yeah, man.

1037
01:11:44.742 --> 01:11:47.602
Speaker 2: I'm checking out with that. I'm
wondering if you have a couple words you'd like
to

1038
01:11:47.642 --> 01:11:51.562
Speaker 2: leave as you're, you know, or share
as you're leaving this space. How does it feel

1039
01:11:51.602 --> 01:11:53.782
Speaker 2: to have shared this story in this
space today?

1040
01:11:54.942 --> 01:11:58.562
Speaker 1: It feels amazing, like I've offloaded
the first chapter [chuckles] of one of these

1041
01:11:58.622 --> 01:12:00.082
Speaker 1: golden books. Honestly, it's a
weight.

1042
01:12:00.742 --> 01:12:00.842
Speaker 2: Hmm.

1043
01:12:00.882 --> 01:12:05.262
Speaker 1: That it's like a, a beautiful burden.
But I feel like I'm walking around these days

1044
01:12:05.462 --> 01:12:11.102
Speaker 1: knowing I am my entire reality. Like
I feel it. I can feel it. And, um,

1045
01:12:11.502 --> 01:12:14.822
Speaker 1: I can start to do stuff. I can see
without eyeballs. I can move things with my
mind.

1046
01:12:14.842 --> 01:12:15.422
Speaker 2: [chuckles]

1047
01:12:15.482 --> 01:12:20.422
Speaker 1: Light, light things. But I can, I can
do things now. I can see and know things that

1048
01:12:20.502 --> 01:12:25.942
Speaker 1: I shouldn't theoretically be able to
know. Um, and it feels amazing, and I want

1049
01:12:26.002 --> 01:12:31.642
Speaker 1: everyone else to have it. Uh, so I'm
just excited to, to g- get it out and get it

1050
01:12:31.662 --> 01:12:34.622
Speaker 1: into people's hands, uh, like you and
like anyone else, so they can have it too.

1051
01:12:35.342 --> 01:12:36.682
Speaker 2: This is Reality 101.

1052
01:12:36.842 --> 01:12:39.942
Speaker 1: We thought this through about what
would be a good sign-off and, uh-

1053
01:12:39.982 --> 01:12:41.082
Speaker 2: Yeah

1054
01:12:41.082 --> 01:12:45.422
Speaker 1: ... I'll, I'll give this context one
time, and the next I'm just gonna say it. And

1055
01:12:45.502 --> 01:12:50.282
Speaker 1: at one point in one of my experiences
through a remote viewing map, uh, I...

1056
01:12:50.522 --> 01:12:55.742
Speaker 1: Somebody told me that they were so
excited for me because I had just been given the

1057
01:12:55.802 --> 01:12:59.642
Speaker 1: gift of everything. In fact, everyone
has already received this gift. They just

1058
01:12:59.682 --> 01:13:04.782
Speaker 1: didn't realize it yet. This is prior
to this experience. You have received the gift

1059
01:13:04.822 --> 01:13:10.502
Speaker 1: of everything. Surprise. And here's
what the gift of everything is. [gentle music]

1060
01:13:10.562 --> 01:13:16.062
Speaker 1: You can do anything you want. Nothing
is impossible. You're not going to die, and

1061
01:13:16.142 --> 01:13:17.342
Speaker 1: everything loves you.

1062
01:13:19.022 --> 01:13:19.482
Speaker 1: There it is.

1063
01:13:20.402 --> 01:13:20.462
Speaker 2: Hmm.

1064
01:13:20.542 --> 01:13:21.422
Speaker 1: See you next time.

1065
01:13:23.302 --> 01:13:23.722
Speaker 2: All right.