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Speaker 1: [upbeat music]

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Speaker 1: Reality 101 is a journal of
impossible experiences, from first-hand
explorations

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Speaker 1: into the nature of reality, what it
means for all of us, and how you can experience

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Speaker 1: it for yourself. I'm Stephen Trumbek.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Joshua Swanson.

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Speaker 2: And this episode of Reality 101 is
called Reality 102. It's about the rules of

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Speaker 2: multiplayer reality at a fundamental
level. If you are your entire reality, why do

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Speaker 2: things happen that you don't like?
How does anyone else exist? And why can't you do

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Speaker 2: anything you want instantly? These
answers and others came through another lecture

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Speaker 2: experience that Stephen had. But
before we dive in on that, we always like to
start

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Speaker 2: with a little check-in, so wondering
how you're arriving today, Stephen.

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Speaker 1: Great day. Uh, it's a serendipitous
time to be talking to each other. Had

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Speaker 1: a lot of profound experiences late
last night, early this morning, some out-of-body

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Speaker 1: experiences, really weird stuff. Um,

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Speaker 1: it was cool. [chuckles] Like, I met
people who are alive now in an out-of-body

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Speaker 1: experience in, like, a scene, and,
like, interacted with them, and that was weird.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with that
one. Uh, it's-- But it was cool. It was profound

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Speaker 1: and, and I enjoyed it. It was, it was
meaningful personal- personally, but not to,

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Speaker 1: like... I wouldn't expound, like, a
whole bunch of lessons based on this, but it

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Speaker 1: was... You know, more and more as
I've gone on, 'cause it's been a while since
we've

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Speaker 1: recorded, I'm less having things
happen to me and more initiating it. I can set

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Speaker 1: intentions, and they don't always
happen, but 20 to 30% hit rate. Like, I

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Speaker 1: can initiate these kinds of
experiences, uh, more and more, which is cool.
Telepathy

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Speaker 1: is a lot easier. Direct contact's a
lot easier. Other skills have atrophied at the

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Speaker 1: same time. [chuckles] Uh, but it's,
you know, it's awesome. I, I think it shows that

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Speaker 1: there is a progression, like, if you
keep practicing at this to, like, you move from

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Speaker 1: stuff happening to you, like, you get
these breakthroughs and stuff is random and

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Speaker 1: it's all noise, to, like, "Oh, I can
kinda, like, steer now," right? It's no less

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Speaker 1: mysterious. It's still pretty
mysterious, but, like, I can kinda, like, make
stuff

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Speaker 1: happen, and sometimes it actually
happens, more or less, like, similar to what I

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Speaker 1: intended, which is cool.

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Speaker 1: And, um, anyway, how are you?

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's cool to hear. Um, one
thought that just came up as you were sharing

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Speaker 2: about that, I've read several books
and done lots of, like, work on dreamworks and

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Speaker 2: thing-- dreamwork and things like
that. Um,

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Speaker 2: forgot the name of the first author,
but Robert Monroe and this other guy who wrote,

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Speaker 2: writes about dreambook, dreamwork
both suggest that every night we go out of body,

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Speaker 2: we just don't always remember it, and
sometimes it's, like, filtered through what we

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Speaker 2: interpret as our dreams, but those
might actually be out-of-body experiences,

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Speaker 2: especially if you have dreams of
flying and things like that, they suggest. So
when

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Speaker 2: you're meeting other people, I'm
like, well, maybe you're aware of your
out-of-body

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Speaker 2: experience, and you're actually
meeting these other people, but they're, you
know,

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Speaker 2: in the dream state or something. I
think that's an interesting idea. Uh,

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Speaker 2: [clears throat] uh, yeah, so for me,
you know, I-- we checked in a little bit before

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Speaker 2: this. I've been really, uh, engaged
in some of my creative work. I've been doing AI

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Speaker 2: filmmaking and entered a contest. Uh,
so I have a short film that's largely inspired

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Speaker 2: by, you know, my own personal
practices with psychic phenomena and

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Speaker 2: practices and training and, you know,
a lot of Stephen's, uh, journey. So it's

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Speaker 2: called "Psy Guy." I'm gonna throw it
up on YouTube soon, so hopefully it'll be up

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Speaker 2: before this episode airs.

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Speaker 1: Put a link in the show notes, man.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah. Let's do it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Just directly link.

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Speaker 2: Oh, perfect. Yeah. It's-- And, and it
was a s- it was, um, a project that

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Speaker 2: really pushed me to, uh, up my skills
and work harder over a short

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Speaker 2: period of time than I've ever worked
before. Uh, it was only, like, three weeks at

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Speaker 2: first from the time they announced
the contest to the deadline. Uh, and then, of

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Speaker 2: course, they extended it by two
weeks, so I finished quite a bit earlier than I,
um,

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Speaker 2: expected, uh, with time to spare.
But, uh, yeah, I'm really proud of myself for

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Speaker 2: accomplishing that and really ha-
happy with how it turned out. Um, yeah, and then

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Speaker 2: on the... I think I've been more, you
know, really in the zone with more, like, work

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Speaker 2: in the world. [chuckles] Uh, and I
have been doing, you know, my inner practices as

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Speaker 2: well, but it-- I just haven't ha-
been having very big experiences recently. But
as

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Speaker 2: you were talking, you know, I'm
always like, this is kind of a pl- the place
where I

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Speaker 2: sort of check in a little bit, and I,
I had, did have a couple interesting

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Speaker 2: experiences recently. One was...
Yeah, I don't know. I've sh- I've shared about

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Speaker 2: my perceiving that I'm connecting
with the grays through meditation,

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Speaker 2: and, uh, it's interesting 'cause,
like, I'll sit and, like, I woke up the other

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Speaker 2: night, like 3:00 a.m., was meditating
a bit, and I'm feeling around for, like,

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Speaker 2: different beings that I've, like,
relate to, you know? My higher self or

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Speaker 2: my ancestors. But then the moment I
begin to think about, like, kind of br- draw my

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Speaker 2: awareness to, like, the image of
this, like, a gray alien, then my whole body
lights

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Speaker 2: with, like, energy, like pinging sort
of, like, vibration. Um,

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Speaker 2: I don't really know what to make of
that. It's not like I have any clear, like,

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Speaker 2: messages coming through. It's just
kinda like...

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Speaker 2: It's sh- yeah. It's just, like, this
sort of, uh, presence felt or something. And

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Speaker 2: then it happened again last night. I
was listening to a medi- like, guided

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Speaker 2: meditation trying to fall back
asleep, and I just randomly had the thought,
like,

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Speaker 2: "Maybe the gray aliens are the same
as the mantis beings 'cause they have those big

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Speaker 2: eyes. Maybe they're actually
insectoid beings or something." And then I got
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Speaker 2: ping, [chuckles] like, this energy.
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Speaker 2: No, that's-- I mean, it's just like,
uh, somatic. It's really somatic. But it's kind

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Speaker 2: of like a very alive feeling.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's my, that's my report, my
weirdness report. [chuckles]

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Speaker 1: Somebody's pinging you.

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Speaker 2: Somebody's pinging me.

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Speaker 1: It'll lead somewhere.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if they're aliens, but,
uh, it's, it's interesting to think about that.

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Speaker 2: [chuckles]

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Speaker 1: Probably. Anyone-

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Speaker 2: Probably.

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Speaker 1: But a human being is an alien,
technically, right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, are not from Earth. That's
probably gonna be most people.

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Speaker 2: [chuckles] Cool. So yeah, um, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: would like to just, like dive in. So
this is Reality 102. Um, where do we begin?

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Speaker 1: So we begin the literal day after the
C experience,

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Speaker 1: which was that three-part series that
we just did. So I mean, that night, I know

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Speaker 1: stuff's gonna go down. Anytime
there's like some big breakthrough, this seems
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Speaker 1: happen. When I opened Mindsight, um,
when I've had other similar extreme experiences

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Speaker 1: or revelations, and those things are
often preceded by moments of profound personal

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Speaker 1: growth, overcoming big problems,
forgiving somebody. It could be something huge,

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Speaker 1: right? Or dealing with a problem you
haven't dealt with for a very long time, uh,

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Speaker 1: deciding or taking big action or
some- on something. That, that plus intention
seems

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Speaker 1: to open you up for a big experience
eventually, and then you have it, and then you

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Speaker 1: learn something from it. And then
after that, you seem to have, like, the window

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Speaker 1: blown open, right? Okay. It's like a
temporary effect. You can imagine there's just

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Speaker 1: a lot of power in the area. There's
like this almost like a, like fusion or fission

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Speaker 1: or something. Like you've released...
Yeah, you did the initial work, but there's

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Speaker 1: like a bunch of energy here. Uh,
you-- if your goal was just to split the atom,

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Speaker 1: well, you did that, but now you've
got this extra energy sitting around. Uh, so
that

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Speaker 1: gets put to use. [chuckles] And that
got put to use the following day. I knew it

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Speaker 1: would. I could just feel it. Just had
a sense of it, and it was all tingly. Just

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Speaker 1: felt electrified. Um, and I did. Uh,
so this covers that experience.

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Speaker 1: It started with some pretty profound
and extremely vivid, um, liminal

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Speaker 1: state experiences. Uh, I saw my soul
sister again, and that was

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Speaker 1: cool. Most of that is not relevant
and, and personal, but very touching.

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Speaker 1: The reason I don't cover it is
because the next one, uh, is extremely

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Speaker 1: profound and highly relevant to
everybody else. Um, so I'm done with that,
right?

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, "Wow, that was crazy."
I wake up in the middle of the night, and I go

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Speaker 1: back to sleep. So I've already had
one experience. I'm like, "Whoa, that was pretty

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Speaker 1: wild." I'm having a lot of emotions,
and I start to fall back asleep. And as I start

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Speaker 1: to fall back asleep, I'm laying
downstairs in the living room, uh, because I was

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Speaker 1: having trouble sleeping, um, or
falling back asleep. And I'm laying,

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Speaker 1: uh, like on the floor. We've got a
mat that you can sleep on. It's like a big dog

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Speaker 1: bed. I'm sleeping on that thing. I'm
trying to fall asleep, and just as I start to

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Speaker 1: fall asleep, I notice this presence.
Somebody's there. I don't see anything,

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Speaker 1: but if you close your eyes and
somebody stood right next to you, and you knew
they

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Speaker 1: were there before you closed your
eyes, you would kind of feel their presence
there.

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Speaker 1: You know, like they're waiting there,
like at your desk. Like nothing impatient.

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Speaker 1: They're just kind of waiting for you
to notice them, like, "I'll get to you in a

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Speaker 1: second." They're waiting for you to
finish what you're doing and notice them. And I

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Speaker 1: can feel this presence there, and I'm
like, "I know who this is. I know what that

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Speaker 1: feeling is." And it's my soul mother.
And she's sitting there, and as

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Speaker 1: soon as I start getting some images,
I know exactly what's happening. And I just

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Speaker 1: start smiling, and I'm like, "This is
it." I'm like, "I know what you're doing."

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Speaker 1: There's never any introduction.
This... I don't know why. I-- [chuckles] Nobody

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Speaker 1: calls and says, "Hey, this is who it
is." Like, "Oh, I'm gonna let you know."

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you get a heads-up, but at
least for me, it's, "We're gonna get right into

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Speaker 1: it. I'm just gonna start teaching."

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Speaker 2: No preamble, "How you doing, Steven?"
[chuckles]

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Speaker 1: Nope. Well, you've noticed me, and
you've put your attention on me, so that must

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Speaker 1: count as picking up the phone. No,
she just starts by showing me, uh, a visual of a

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Speaker 1: tree frog drawn right into my
imagination. Imagine you're just laying there
with

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Speaker 1: your eyes closed, you have that
sensation, and then suddenly you have really
clear

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Speaker 1: imaginary visuals of a tree frog just
sitting there in the blackness. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: "Okay, that's weird." As if you were
doing it yourself, like, really well. You're

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Speaker 1: having a good day. I'm like, "But
you're not doing anything. You're not even

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Speaker 1: trying." It's just there. It's
hopping around, jumping on stuff, jumping on me,

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Speaker 1: acting all cute. And I, I start to--
And then she starts asking me questions. Now I

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Speaker 1: get the verbal thoughts, right? And
these are popping in, too. I'm not trying. If

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Speaker 1: you were just chilling, looking at
your, on your back porch, looking out at the

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Speaker 1: horizon, and suddenly you just
started having thoughts of somebody talking to
you,

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Speaker 1: that is exactly what this feels like.
It's very strong. You don't have to try at

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Speaker 1: all. It's just there. So this is
uncommon levels of, like, quality

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Speaker 1: telepathy. Like, whoa, okay. I am not
having to do anything. I could just sit back

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Speaker 1: and watch the show. And I'm like,
"Cool." [chuckles] And I just smile because,

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Speaker 1: uh, I know, and I said, "This is it.
This is Reality 102. You're finally giving me

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Speaker 1: this freaking follow-up lecture."
It's like four and a half months later after the

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Speaker 1: first one, or five months. I'm like,
"I wanna know. I got so many questions," and

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Speaker 1: just like, I've been asking, like,
nonstop. Yo, there's like so many unanswered

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Speaker 1: questions. I think we covered some of
them in the intro. Okay, your en- your entire

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Speaker 1: reality, we covered some of that
stuff. How is there anyone else here? Why can't
I

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Speaker 1: do anything I want? Why am I not
aware of this all the time? Why does bad stuff

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Speaker 1: happen to me? All these things. Um,
how does imagination work? Like, [chuckles] what

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Speaker 1: is... I need to know. How do other
people do stuff to me? Like, I need to know how

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Speaker 1: this works. It's crickets for like
four and a half months, and then suddenly just

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Speaker 1: shows up. All right. And I know
that's what this is going to be. Now, Reality
102 is

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Speaker 1: the name I gave it. Uh, she never,
like, n-named the lectures. This is just, yeah,

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Speaker 1: no preamble, very matter of fact So
she's-- I'm seeing this tree frog, and she

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Speaker 1: starts asking me questions. And the
first question is, "What do you see?" "I see a

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Speaker 1: tree frog." So a lot of this is a
back and forth Q&A, right? They show you

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Speaker 1: something, maybe ask a few leading
questions, and then the rest is up for you to

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Speaker 1: start answering yourself, right? It's
very hands-on, very direct. Not a lot of-- a

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Speaker 1: little bit of leading, but that's
about it. I say, "I see a tree frog." "Great.
What

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It's made out of the same stuff as me. Like,

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I'm like, "Cool. [chuckles] All right, passed

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experiencing? Like... And she says, "There is
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well." Right? So you're in their world, they're

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are your own reality from your

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That's it.

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They're not all individual souls. There are

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forms. Uh, these are all weird. Don't worry
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lessons." And then I get a visual of, like, in
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104, 105, 201, 202. Like, there

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really complex, exponentially so. So even just

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like what we're doing now, makes the, the space

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different thing based off

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epiphenomenon or a emergent property, right? You
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[clears throat] you can build very complex

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you've ever interacted with, it's real, it's
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The atoms are following like principles of

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out of you. Like it is an expression of your

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it. You are the desk as much as you are the
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interacted with is just you. Uh, which lead, led
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their own copy. Imagine copy pasting, and they

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demonstrable. It's just a fact. This is not

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this is not going to answer every question,

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The more rules you add on and the more pieces

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There's more to it than this. So if you see

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does describe things pretty well, but it doesn't

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that's not covered in Newtonian physics. It's

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she's like, "Here are more correct rules, but

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It's 102, basically. [chuckles]

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right, so I've asked all these questions. I'm

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point." I'm like, "Heck yeah." Like, "I got you
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squeeze you for every big question I've ever had

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works." And so I do. And at some point,

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a pause in the con- moving on to the next

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no, [chuckles] nobody... We're just, we're just

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up with a basic intention for I'm gonna give you

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closing my eyes. The experience is very similar

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is the same. I feel barely connected to my

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rat in my imagination, and it's just sitting

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me, like, "Why is the rat there?"

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"The only way that anything could ever get into

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more or less, why can this thing be here if

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this happen. So how did it get here? And I, "I

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uses people. Um, but the gist is that this got

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You had an opening, and I pushed it in, and now

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out of you. It's still composed of you. Like

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you. And if the rat had been there physically,

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she asks, "Why do you not see it physically

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your imagination. Like why can I not just pop a

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like, "Okay. [chuckles] I don't know."

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I need to resolve this. And here's the answer.

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the answer is in the term,

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are layers to yourself. So it's not just that

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is the exact same thing as your body, your

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true. Because in the very next scene, the rat
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defense against the dark arts at this point

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how to pump this thing out of my, you know,

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like waking up from a nightmare. It feels very

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push away thoughts or emotions and stuff. It's

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[chuckles] Why did that not

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into this back and forth, and what she ends up

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different layers of self, and they have like
different

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body more or less obeys like your brain and your

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directly, right? You can move it. If you want to

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foil, that thing is

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has a different kind of allegiance to you. It is

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we use a computer metaphor, uh, you moving

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your World of Warcraft character, your avatar.

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presses. You wanna run, it runs. But you're like

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computer can run almost anything. But the cup or

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are not necessarily like well-defined, perfect

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It may be more gradient. That was not important

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Speaker 1: to the discussion, but it's a way of
thinking of it. It's a, a different kind of

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Speaker 1: self, part of yourself. And it's more
like the operating system, and it follows

355
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Speaker 1: different kinds of rules. It doesn't
matter how much you want to be able to fly if

356
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Speaker 1: your video game character can't fly.
Now, your computer could render a game where

357
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Speaker 1: your character can fly. It can also
do Microsoft Excel. [chuckles] It can also do

358
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Speaker 1: all sorts of things. It can manage
files. Uh, but from your perspective in the
game,

359
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Speaker 1: like you can't do any of that, right?
But those other parts of you are still you.

360
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Speaker 1: You're also the operating system.
You're also like the BIOS, the low-level stuff.

361
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Speaker 1: Like you're all of that. You just
didn't know it. You don't have awareness at
those

362
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Speaker 1: levels. You are generally only aware
close to the center in the video game,

363
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Speaker 1: basically, near your body, your
thoughts and your emotions and stuff,
imagination.

364
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Speaker 1: Some of these things seep out into
non-physical. Um, but everything is you. You
just

365
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Speaker 1: didn't realize it. And then so I have
this little tangent about like what about the

366
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Speaker 1: rubber hand experiment? Are you
familiar with that?

367
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Speaker 1: So if you take a rubber hand that
looks like your, your hand and you put it in
your,

368
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Speaker 1: a s- person's, uh, sleeve, or you
have them move their hand down and you put it on

369
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Speaker 1: the desk next to their other hand,
and you hit that hand with a hammer-

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Speaker 2: Hmm

371
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Speaker 1: ... people will experience pain. Uh,
they don't experience the same level of pain

372
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Speaker 1: that they would experience if it were
the actual hand, and there's no physical

373
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Speaker 1: injury. So I ask about that. I'm
like, "Okay, what the heck? [chuckles] Why does

374
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Speaker 1: that hurt you then? How does that
hurt you if they're just hitting a rubber hand?"

375
00:27:27.952 --> 00:27:31.432
Speaker 1: And the answer is more or less that
there are different kinds of layers, and they

376
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Speaker 1: have like different roles. So what
was hurting in that scenario was more like a

377
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Speaker 1: psychological layer that was
convinced that this was your hand. And so to its

378
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Speaker 1: ability, greatest ability, it
expressed pain and fear. But there are other
parts of

379
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Speaker 1: yourself, the rubber hand itself is
technically made out of you, but it, it's

380
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Speaker 1: obeying lower level rules like
physics. It's running the software of physics
right

381
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Speaker 1: now, and it doesn't give a crap about
whether you feel like your hand got hurt. Not

382
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Speaker 1: really. It's doing atoms [chuckles]
and force, and it says nothing broke.

383
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Speaker 1: And so you don't get the full
experience as if your hand had actually broken
and the

384
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Speaker 1: nerves do their stuff. So you get
some of it, but not all of it. This explains
like

385
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Speaker 1: some of the placebo effect. But it's
weirder once you starting, start to get into

386
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Speaker 1: psi and stuff, right? Because you
really can move a piece of aluminum foil, and
the

387
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Speaker 1: reason you can do it is da, da, da,
da, it's you. [chuckles] You're moving yourself,

388
00:28:29.772 --> 00:28:33.272
Speaker 1: right? That's why psi works. Like
that's why remote viewing works. That's why

389
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Speaker 1: levitation works. Any of this stuff,
it only works because it's all you. Like you're

390
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Speaker 1: just moving yourself. Like big whoop.
Great job. We're all so proud of you. It's so

391
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Speaker 1: simple once you like get this model.
It's like, oh, okay. So you can lean on those

392
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Speaker 1: layers, but they, they're pretty
hardcore. Uh, you know, you can tilt the pinball

393
00:28:53.212 --> 00:28:58.932
Speaker 1: machine, but some part of you is
locked away on running these programs that are

394
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Speaker 1: loyal to running the rules of this
part of reality, right? Somehow or another, you

395
00:29:04.112 --> 00:29:09.632
Speaker 1: ended up here, whether you chose to
or not, and you are running software. Part of

396
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Speaker 1: you is like running the operating
system, running the programs. Whether you agreed

397
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Speaker 1: to it or not, it is loyal to running
those programs. If you get hit by a bus, you

398
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Speaker 1: will die, and it will dutifully
render all of the pain and all of those atoms
being

399
00:29:23.232 --> 00:29:27.512
Speaker 1: scattered, uh, whether you want it to
or not, because that part of yourself is loyal

400
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Speaker 1: to running the software like
according to the rules that you have like

401
00:29:33.572 --> 00:29:38.052
Speaker 1: opted into. Um, so that's how all
these like different layers like interact with

402
00:29:38.092 --> 00:29:41.152
Speaker 1: each other, and it can all still be
you, and things that you don't want to happen

403
00:29:41.172 --> 00:29:46.132
Speaker 1: can still happen to you because some
part of you does want it. You may not be aware

404
00:29:46.172 --> 00:29:52.152
Speaker 1: at that level consciously, but you
can be. And if you could be, you could start to

405
00:29:52.192 --> 00:29:55.432
Speaker 1: change things. So at this point, you
know, the rat is gone. I'm basically just

406
00:29:55.512 --> 00:29:56.492
Speaker 1: asking questions, right?

407
00:29:59.532 --> 00:29:59.732
Speaker 2: Hmm.

408
00:30:02.812 --> 00:30:07.152
Speaker 2: Well, one, first thing that's on the
top of my mind is know thyself and how, how

409
00:30:07.192 --> 00:30:11.272
Speaker 2: like simple that phrase is, but like
from this perspective, how deep it goes.

410
00:30:11.332 --> 00:30:17.332
Speaker 2: 'Cause, you know, there's a
perspective I'm familiar with doing like
internal family

411
00:30:17.432 --> 00:30:22.552
Speaker 2: systems work, you know, or just like
understanding my own personality,

412
00:30:23.392 --> 00:30:28.368
Speaker 2: uh- In terms of like parts, you know?
There's like my inner child, there's my

413
00:30:28.408 --> 00:30:32.568
Speaker 2: protector parts, there's-- And, uh,
it's been really helpful for me to like engage

414
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Speaker 2: with, uh, my own psyche and, you
know, subconscious processes through that

415
00:30:39.048 --> 00:30:43.968
Speaker 2: medium. But then now there's, there's
also this, like this feels like, um,

416
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Speaker 2: there is also like, uh, maybe that,
that's maybe more horizontal, like within my own

417
00:30:50.088 --> 00:30:52.248
Speaker 2: psyche on this life, in this life.

418
00:30:52.688 --> 00:30:52.928
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

419
00:30:53.208 --> 00:30:59.088
Speaker 2: Uh, but then there are these parts of
me that are hor- like vertically

420
00:30:59.288 --> 00:31:04.088
Speaker 2: o-oriented, like deeper, you know, or
higher, you know? And I, I've been, been doing

421
00:31:04.128 --> 00:31:08.568
Speaker 2: more practice now that, uh, revolves
around like connecting with my higher self or

422
00:31:08.608 --> 00:31:12.348
Speaker 2: my future self that are, that is
really powerf- have been really powerful and

423
00:31:12.408 --> 00:31:17.668
Speaker 2: transformative for me. Uh, but then
also there's like these, these deeper parts that

424
00:31:17.688 --> 00:31:23.168
Speaker 2: are more parts of myself that are
then oriented towards like this reality or like,

425
00:31:24.788 --> 00:31:29.848
Speaker 2: like you're saying, like these
agreements I made when I'm perhaps like before I

426
00:31:30.508 --> 00:31:34.828
Speaker 2: entered this reality, like to, to
sort of like opt into the rules of this reality.

427
00:31:35.848 --> 00:31:41.448
Speaker 2: Uh, play the game as fully as I could
[chuckles] in this life, in this context.

428
00:31:42.488 --> 00:31:46.168
Speaker 2: Um, so that's all very fascinating.
And, and then another image that came to mind

429
00:31:47.128 --> 00:31:49.828
Speaker 2: when we were talking about the rat
and the frog, um,

430
00:31:52.188 --> 00:31:56.028
Speaker 2: and we're, we're sort of grappling
with this idea like how, how am I my whole

431
00:31:56.068 --> 00:32:00.608
Speaker 2: reality? How does, how is Steven his
whole reality? Uh, and how are we having this

432
00:32:00.628 --> 00:32:05.008
Speaker 2: conversation now and mutually
creating a reality together? How are we all in
this

433
00:32:05.048 --> 00:32:09.708
Speaker 2: together? Uh, and what he- what's
helpful for me is understanding like this kind

434
00:32:09.748 --> 00:32:15.028
Speaker 2: of-- And th- this has come through
numerous, uh, [chuckles] high dose psychedelic

435
00:32:15.088 --> 00:32:20.688
Speaker 2: experiences, uh, where like my ego
dissolved so fully that I became,

436
00:32:21.488 --> 00:32:26.968
Speaker 2: um, like this, what's this concept--
Like undifferentiated consciousness that's

437
00:32:27.008 --> 00:32:31.948
Speaker 2: underneath the surface of self, you
know? And, and then from that perspective, it's

438
00:32:31.988 --> 00:32:36.328
Speaker 2: like, well, that's... It, it's like
there's this clarity. And I talked some of the,

439
00:32:36.508 --> 00:32:41.808
Speaker 2: about some of this my, in the last,
uh, episode we did, uh, [chuckles] LSD journey I

440
00:32:41.848 --> 00:32:45.788
Speaker 2: did in, in the middle of summer.
There's this clarity that like, oh, this is how

441
00:32:45.808 --> 00:32:50.608
Speaker 2: things really are. We're all just one
consciousness. It's all just ultimately one

442
00:32:50.688 --> 00:32:56.488
Speaker 2: consciousness. So if I hold up my
hand, you know, all of these fingers are

443
00:32:56.568 --> 00:33:02.548
Speaker 2: part of this one hand, you know? Uh,
but somehow, and,

444
00:33:02.828 --> 00:33:05.988
Speaker 2: a-and you could think of like, oh,
this finger's Steven, this finger's Joshua, this

445
00:33:06.028 --> 00:33:11.728
Speaker 2: finger's the frog, this finger's the
rat. Uh, somehow in our current

446
00:33:11.828 --> 00:33:17.268
Speaker 2: reality, we live as if we're all cut
off from that source, you know, that, that

447
00:33:17.528 --> 00:33:23.048
Speaker 2: fundamental awareness, primordial
oneness, primordial I. You know? There's this
like

448
00:33:23.988 --> 00:33:28.668
Speaker 2: primordial subjective experience that
is under the surface of everything, and then

449
00:33:28.748 --> 00:33:34.588
Speaker 2: some- somehow like channels through
atoms and bodies

450
00:33:34.888 --> 00:33:40.668
Speaker 2: and eyeballs and then meets itself.
[laughs] It's like looking back at itself,

451
00:33:41.468 --> 00:33:46.608
Speaker 2: trying to understand itself maybe.
And, uh, and maybe every one of these layers is

452
00:33:46.648 --> 00:33:49.908
Speaker 2: kind of like a different, like your,
the selves is kinda like meeting at a different

453
00:33:49.948 --> 00:33:50.228
Speaker 2: layer.

454
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

455
00:33:50.708 --> 00:33:52.888
Speaker 2: [chuckles]

456
00:33:53.068 --> 00:33:57.468
Speaker 1: I love that metaphor. What's weird is
the, at the finger level, you're-- This is,

457
00:33:57.588 --> 00:34:01.508
Speaker 1: yeah, we're gonna run with this one.
That is, if you take that to be your whole

458
00:34:01.608 --> 00:34:07.588
Speaker 1: soul, then it is its own copy of its
own reality that has free will. But

459
00:34:07.628 --> 00:34:12.308
Speaker 1: it is also a part of the hand, and so
you're, it, both are true. It gets so trippy.

460
00:34:12.788 --> 00:34:17.628
Speaker 1: You are an agent with complete free
will who is completely self-sovereign over your

461
00:34:17.668 --> 00:34:18.568
Speaker 1: entire reality.

462
00:34:19.308 --> 00:34:19.328
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

463
00:34:19.368 --> 00:34:22.768
Speaker 1: You have an entire com- clean copy of
it. You can do anything you want with it. It's

464
00:34:22.828 --> 00:34:27.648
Speaker 1: all yours. The hand cannot make you
do it. But at the same time, the hand is

465
00:34:27.688 --> 00:34:32.868
Speaker 1: experiencing what you're
experiencing, and it is, you are a part of it.
Like you are

466
00:34:33.048 --> 00:34:36.728
Speaker 1: directly a part of the whole thing.
Like that is also true. It's weird that they

467
00:34:36.768 --> 00:34:39.548
Speaker 1: can, it's like two sides of the same
coin, like everything and nothing at the same

468
00:34:39.588 --> 00:34:42.708
Speaker 1: time. They're both true. They're both
equally true. It's bizarre.

469
00:34:45.188 --> 00:34:45.448
Speaker 2: Yeah.

470
00:34:45.488 --> 00:34:45.768
Speaker 1: And cool.

471
00:34:45.828 --> 00:34:45.967
Speaker 2: Yeah.

472
00:34:46.948 --> 00:34:47.968
Speaker 1: Kind of a good setup, honestly.

473
00:34:48.008 --> 00:34:53.108
Speaker 2: We also don't really understand where
our thoughts come from, why we do the things

474
00:34:53.148 --> 00:34:58.648
Speaker 2: we do, what set us on our life
course, and even before our life. Like what...
You

475
00:34:58.688 --> 00:35:01.828
Speaker 2: know? So there's all these elements
that come into play when we think we're making

476
00:35:01.888 --> 00:35:07.448
Speaker 2: conscious decisions, you know? I feel
like I'm more conscious

477
00:35:07.908 --> 00:35:13.868
Speaker 2: now than I was, you know, seven years
ago before I really began to do this

478
00:35:13.888 --> 00:35:19.308
Speaker 2: really deep inner work and, you know,
more meditation and, uh, psychedelics and

479
00:35:20.008 --> 00:35:25.248
Speaker 2: therapy and, and stuff. I'm, I'm, I
know myself so much more, but then it also

480
00:35:25.268 --> 00:35:30.828
Speaker 2: becomes the more I know, the less I
know that I know. [chuckles] You know? Or the

481
00:35:30.888 --> 00:35:33.608
Speaker 2: more questions I have, the more
ignorant I'm, I realize I am.

482
00:35:33.628 --> 00:35:36.448
Speaker 1: That's a good sign. That's real-- I
think it's a good sign.

483
00:35:37.208 --> 00:35:42.088
Speaker 2: Yeah. [chuckles] So but I thought I
was conscious back then. I thought I was

484
00:35:42.368 --> 00:35:45.548
Speaker 2: choosing the life I was le- leading
to a, to a degree.

485
00:35:45.928 --> 00:35:45.929
Speaker 1: Yeah.

486
00:35:45.948 --> 00:35:50.528
Speaker 2: And I think I'm conscious and aware
and making active choices now, but I can only

487
00:35:50.568 --> 00:35:56.268
Speaker 2: imagine, you know, as I continue this
path of inner exploration and growth, um,

488
00:35:56.828 --> 00:36:01.788
Speaker 2: I'll probably look back at my life
now and be like, "Ha, what did I know?" [laughs]

489
00:36:01.828 --> 00:36:02.108
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

490
00:36:02.108 --> 00:36:02.908
Speaker 2: "Of my life now."

491
00:36:05.228 --> 00:36:09.808
Speaker 1: So when I say awareness, like there's
a lot of kinds of awareness. I mean the most

492
00:36:09.848 --> 00:36:14.048
Speaker 1: powerful kind being direct awareness
rather than inferred or something like that.

493
00:36:14.108 --> 00:36:18.588
Speaker 1: Imagine that somebody is sliding
refrigerator magnets like through a slot. You're

494
00:36:18.668 --> 00:36:22.088
Speaker 1: stuck in a tiny little room, and they
give you ri- two numbers, and you have to add

495
00:36:22.108 --> 00:36:25.728
Speaker 1: them together and write down the
answer, right? And if you get it right, you get
a

496
00:36:25.768 --> 00:36:29.568
Speaker 1: cookie. All right? This is cool. You
are aware of the numbers that are coming in

497
00:36:29.588 --> 00:36:33.148
Speaker 1: through the slot, and you are doing
that math and like, "I am aware of these numbers

498
00:36:34.618 --> 00:36:39.038
Speaker 1: Direct awareness outside the box
would show you that there is a conveyor belt of

499
00:36:39.098 --> 00:36:43.998
Speaker 1: numbers coming in, and you could just
put the numbers in that you want, and you

500
00:36:44.018 --> 00:36:47.318
Speaker 1: could just be all ones, and you could
just get cookies for life without having to

501
00:36:47.358 --> 00:36:50.358
Speaker 1: think anymore, uh, because you could
control the numbers that are coming into the

502
00:36:50.398 --> 00:36:55.778
Speaker 1: box now, right? Before, you had no
awareness and no control

503
00:36:56.318 --> 00:36:59.818
Speaker 1: over those things. You could infer it
maybe. You could find patterns. You could work

504
00:36:59.858 --> 00:37:03.758
Speaker 1: with the numbers to get good at
addition. That's working on, like, the inner
self.

505
00:37:04.038 --> 00:37:08.998
Speaker 1: Psychological work, totally valid.
Chemistry work, biochemistry, you need more

506
00:37:09.058 --> 00:37:12.918
Speaker 1: sleep, totally valid. These are all,
like... You can work within a layer of self,

507
00:37:13.018 --> 00:37:17.278
Speaker 1: and it is totally appropriate to work
there. You don't have to say, "I'm the entire

508
00:37:17.338 --> 00:37:22.458
Speaker 1: universe, and I'm gonna fix it all at
the, like, pre-atom level." Sure, you don't

509
00:37:22.458 --> 00:37:26.458
Speaker 1: have to manifest everything into
fixing. Like, you can also just, like, take

510
00:37:26.518 --> 00:37:30.838
Speaker 1: antibiotics if you're really
[chuckles] sick. It's cool. You can fight it at
the,

511
00:37:31.358 --> 00:37:35.938
Speaker 1: you know, molecular biology level.
Those rules are valid. The world is there. It's

512
00:37:35.998 --> 00:37:41.718
Speaker 1: real. Like, it's, it's not fake. It's
not imagined. Which we'll get into. So in the

513
00:37:41.898 --> 00:37:46.418
Speaker 1: third scene, this answers, like, a
lot of follow-up questions, um, that I had,
which

514
00:37:46.458 --> 00:37:46.858
Speaker 1: are, like,

515
00:37:49.618 --> 00:37:53.098
Speaker 1: a lot of questions around why can't
you do whatever you want? Why are things

516
00:37:53.138 --> 00:37:57.938
Speaker 1: happening? Why can people hurt me if
I don't want them to? Like... And then it gets

517
00:37:58.018 --> 00:38:02.998
Speaker 1: into how that direct awareness that I
just talked about allows you to do more stuff.

518
00:38:03.498 --> 00:38:07.498
Speaker 1: It's not just an awareness within a
layer, which is like mastery. Like, you can be

519
00:38:07.538 --> 00:38:10.738
Speaker 1: more aware of your own thoughts that
are happening. That's a little bit different

520
00:38:10.758 --> 00:38:14.738
Speaker 1: than, like, seeing literally where
your thoughts come from and how they work, like,

521
00:38:15.638 --> 00:38:19.098
Speaker 1: as if you could visualize yourself
from the outside in, like, you know, like

522
00:38:19.138 --> 00:38:23.938
Speaker 1: billiard balls knocking into each
other. That's, like, much more mechanical. Um,
so

523
00:38:23.998 --> 00:38:27.338
Speaker 1: that's the kind of awareness that
anyone would like to get to, is to have the

524
00:38:27.378 --> 00:38:31.998
Speaker 1: ability to, like, see, work with
these forces on a more intuitive level, to,
like,

525
00:38:32.978 --> 00:38:35.918
Speaker 1: work with them at the operating
system level inside instead of World of
Warcraft,

526
00:38:36.738 --> 00:38:39.858
Speaker 1: right? If you could, in theory, you
know, or a local game, if you could hack your

527
00:38:39.898 --> 00:38:43.938
Speaker 1: game to give yourself infinite money,
that would be what we're talking about.

528
00:38:44.218 --> 00:38:48.118
Speaker 1: Awareness of a lower level to go in
and edit the config files tells you, "I don't

529
00:38:48.138 --> 00:38:51.598
Speaker 1: have to work for this anymore. I can
just go cheat." Um, and that's the kind of

530
00:38:51.618 --> 00:38:55.818
Speaker 1: awareness that we're looking for. Not
'cause we have to, but we want to. So I wanna

531
00:38:55.858 --> 00:38:59.958
Speaker 1: do that. So I'm the one who's posing
this third scenario now. I'm like, "Okay,

532
00:39:00.138 --> 00:39:05.418
Speaker 1: you've just given me a whole lot of
crap. Uh, [chuckles] all right. So hold up. I'm

533
00:39:05.438 --> 00:39:09.478
Speaker 1: gonna ask you a bunch of questions
because you're blowing my mind right now." And I

534
00:39:09.658 --> 00:39:13.738
Speaker 1: say to her, "There are two people in
a room." I kinda show a visual. "Person A and

535
00:39:13.818 --> 00:39:19.718
Speaker 1: Person B. Why does Person A see
Person B? If it's all you, like, why are they in

536
00:39:19.758 --> 00:39:22.138
Speaker 1: your world at all? Like, how can they
be there? How are they allowed to be there?"

537
00:39:23.038 --> 00:39:27.918
Speaker 1: Um, and so you make your own reality,
and I want to know why you're not forever

538
00:39:27.978 --> 00:39:31.678
Speaker 1: alone. If it's all you, like, how did
they get to be there? Like, I don't, I don't

539
00:39:31.698 --> 00:39:37.598
Speaker 1: understand. She goes on to describe
being opened or closed. So allowance or

540
00:39:37.638 --> 00:39:43.518
Speaker 1: non-allowance, similar idea. And
describing the principle of existence

541
00:39:43.558 --> 00:39:48.958
Speaker 1: by permission. The reason that
anything happens to you is because you allow it.
You

542
00:39:48.978 --> 00:39:52.458
Speaker 1: gotta sort of take a step back here
because I've never liked the rhetoric that like,

543
00:39:52.598 --> 00:39:56.258
Speaker 1: oh, you know, your kid got murdered
or run over by a car because you allowed it.

544
00:39:56.298 --> 00:40:01.018
Speaker 1: Like, that's not what we're talking
about. Remember that if you are running a

545
00:40:01.078 --> 00:40:06.458
Speaker 1: physical simulation that is reliable,
uh, if your, your kid got hit by a bus or

546
00:40:06.498 --> 00:40:10.398
Speaker 1: something like that, that happened
for the bus driver too, most likely. You know,

547
00:40:10.518 --> 00:40:14.058
Speaker 1: hand-waving, time, other weird
factors. We're not talking about that right now.

548
00:40:14.938 --> 00:40:18.298
Speaker 1: Generally speaking, in this case,
like, that happened. It happened for them, and
it

549
00:40:18.358 --> 00:40:22.738
Speaker 1: happened for you. So functionally, it
happened in both of your universes, right? In

550
00:40:22.778 --> 00:40:28.518
Speaker 1: about the same way. Generally
speaking, because the lower level is faithful to
its

551
00:40:28.558 --> 00:40:33.878
Speaker 1: rules, right? You didn't allow... You
didn't want it to happen. But some part of you

552
00:40:34.638 --> 00:40:38.138
Speaker 1: isn't paying attention to the
storyline of you having a kid and a body and all
that.

553
00:40:38.398 --> 00:40:41.778
Speaker 1: All it's, it's... You can call it
dumber, but it's not dumb. It's just following
the

554
00:40:41.818 --> 00:40:47.038
Speaker 1: rules. I'm a cup. I'm being a cup.
I'm doing gravity like you told me to. I'm doing

555
00:40:47.058 --> 00:40:52.817
Speaker 1: physics like you told me to. Like,
and you're not even aware. But if you

556
00:40:52.998 --> 00:40:58.498
Speaker 1: were able to be ala- aware on those
lower levels, then you could directly change

557
00:40:58.538 --> 00:41:04.178
Speaker 1: what you allow or not allow. And so
this whole principle, the nice part is you can

558
00:41:04.278 --> 00:41:07.938
Speaker 1: actually influence those levels even
if you can't do whatever you want. Like,

559
00:41:08.138 --> 00:41:12.698
Speaker 1: physical reality is slow. It's like
at the end of a pipeline. So my understanding of

560
00:41:12.718 --> 00:41:16.698
Speaker 1: it is that imagination is always also
real. It's just a different space with

561
00:41:16.738 --> 00:41:20.698
Speaker 1: different properties. It's yours,
also part of your reality. But it's like a kinda

562
00:41:20.738 --> 00:41:25.738
Speaker 1: temporary, like maybe play space,
right? Stuff is ephemeral. It's light. Um, you
can

563
00:41:25.758 --> 00:41:31.318
Speaker 1: play with ideas. But there's like a
pipeline from imagination to physical reality,

564
00:41:31.918 --> 00:41:36.678
Speaker 1: and this explains like how
manifestation works is that you can imagine by
creating

565
00:41:36.718 --> 00:41:39.238
Speaker 1: things. And so here's the follow-up
principle.

566
00:41:40.838 --> 00:41:44.918
Speaker 1: The idea is that there is only
opening and closing, right? You're either closed
to

567
00:41:44.958 --> 00:41:50.738
Speaker 1: an aspect of reality. I am closed to,
you know, believing something can

568
00:41:50.778 --> 00:41:54.458
Speaker 1: happen to me or not, right? So take
it to the level of manifestation where it makes

569
00:41:54.498 --> 00:41:58.658
Speaker 1: a little more sense for most people.
I really, really want, you know, to get this

570
00:41:58.698 --> 00:42:03.718
Speaker 1: job offer, right? You are open to
that or you're closed to it. You don't believe

571
00:42:03.758 --> 00:42:07.618
Speaker 1: you're gonna get it. You're leaning
on the probability space, basically. You're

572
00:42:07.678 --> 00:42:11.558
Speaker 1: leaning on the actual, like, things
that can happen to you. You're tilting the, the

573
00:42:11.658 --> 00:42:16.518
Speaker 1: odds, uh, so to speak. I couldn't say
that it's chance, but you're bringing it into

574
00:42:16.558 --> 00:42:19.738
Speaker 1: existence through your beliefs and
through imagination. Like, you're fueling this

575
00:42:19.758 --> 00:42:24.698
Speaker 1: thing. And that is because you can
actually lean on these layers, but it's a little

576
00:42:24.758 --> 00:42:28.958
Speaker 1: slower because the physical world's
kinda heavy. It's got momentum. These rules are

577
00:42:28.998 --> 00:42:33.478
Speaker 1: kinda rigid. But it's just you. So
there's a loophole. The loophole is it's just

578
00:42:33.538 --> 00:42:38.806
Speaker 1: you, and it does respond a little
bit. to your intention, right? So you can't have

579
00:42:38.826 --> 00:42:41.886
Speaker 1: whatever you want. I can't just make
a block of gold appear right away 'cause I'm

580
00:42:41.926 --> 00:42:45.766
Speaker 1: not at the level of direct awareness
where I can just control atoms because I, I am

581
00:42:45.806 --> 00:42:49.846
Speaker 1: them. Uh, you would control them like
you move your hand. If somebody-- If you lived

582
00:42:49.866 --> 00:42:52.466
Speaker 1: in a world where people had arms but
didn't know how to use them, and you were just

583
00:42:52.506 --> 00:42:56.146
Speaker 1: waving your arms around, "You're all
finger rich. Look at me," they'd be like, "How

584
00:42:56.186 --> 00:42:59.586
Speaker 1: the hell do you do that? Those things
don't do anything." And you're like, "I don't

585
00:42:59.606 --> 00:43:04.286
Speaker 1: know. I just move them." Like, it
would be like that if you had direct control
over,

586
00:43:04.526 --> 00:43:08.146
Speaker 1: like, physical matter. You would just
be able to move it intuitively. You would make

587
00:43:08.186 --> 00:43:11.106
Speaker 1: it do what you want in the same way
you can make a block of gold appear in your

588
00:43:11.106 --> 00:43:15.446
Speaker 1: imagination. Is it hard? No, it's
super easy. You're just like, "Gold. There it
is."

589
00:43:15.986 --> 00:43:20.666
Speaker 1: Like, you would be able to do that
too if you had this level of direct awareness.

590
00:43:21.646 --> 00:43:26.066
Speaker 1: And the things that happen to you
happen because you're open to them, whether you

591
00:43:26.186 --> 00:43:30.946
Speaker 1: know it or not, and that's at every
level, psychological, emotional. Like, all these

592
00:43:30.966 --> 00:43:36.066
Speaker 1: different pieces of yourself are all
open or closed to things. So they're--

593
00:43:36.966 --> 00:43:41.805
Speaker 1: I am open to the other people walking
around in my world talking to me, and so they

594
00:43:41.866 --> 00:43:45.266
Speaker 1: can, right? They can talk about
whatever they want. They can even punch me
because

595
00:43:45.306 --> 00:43:50.086
Speaker 1: there are layers of myself,
psychologically, emotionally, beliefs, like
physically,

596
00:43:50.246 --> 00:43:54.426
Speaker 1: the physical part of the world, that
are-- that expect other people to be able to

597
00:43:54.446 --> 00:43:58.326
Speaker 1: walk around and be here and do stuff,
including even hurt me. And so all of these

598
00:43:58.366 --> 00:44:03.546
Speaker 1: things, it's like an open port, or
it's like an open aperture. Something can come

599
00:44:03.586 --> 00:44:08.786
Speaker 1: through. Can, you know, I get this
job offer or not is dependent on whether

600
00:44:09.546 --> 00:44:12.506
Speaker 1: some or all of my parts of self want
it-

601
00:44:13.466 --> 00:44:13.526
Speaker 2: Hmm

602
00:44:13.526 --> 00:44:17.586
Speaker 1: ... even for this to be possible or
not. So I'll pause there because there are

603
00:44:17.606 --> 00:44:20.066
Speaker 1: other-- There's like a follow-up
idea, uh-

604
00:44:20.146 --> 00:44:20.466
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah

605
00:44:20.466 --> 00:44:22.006
Speaker 1: ... at this point. But I wanna see if
you got anything.

606
00:44:22.786 --> 00:44:26.646
Speaker 2: I got some notes. [chuckles] Yeah,
this is all interesting. Um,

607
00:44:28.826 --> 00:44:29.426
Speaker 2: hmm, where to start?

608
00:44:33.306 --> 00:44:36.506
Speaker 2: Um, have you heard of the river
Lethe, Lethe, Lethe, Lethe?

609
00:44:38.426 --> 00:44:40.826
Speaker 2: It's like this idea, or it's-- I
think it's the--

610
00:44:43.826 --> 00:44:47.306
Speaker 2: We-- In Greek mythology, I'll have
to, I'll have to check this, and people are

611
00:44:47.345 --> 00:44:50.386
Speaker 2: probably like, "Oh, he's getting it
totally wrong." But, uh, there's this idea that

612
00:44:50.426 --> 00:44:54.106
Speaker 2: when we come into this life, we drink
from the river Lethe, and it's the river of

613
00:44:54.146 --> 00:44:59.666
Speaker 2: forgetting. And so we forget, you
know, our broader awareness, you know, the

614
00:44:59.706 --> 00:45:05.526
Speaker 2: awareness that, uh, persists across
lifetimes, uh,

615
00:45:05.686 --> 00:45:10.586
Speaker 2: in order to come into this reality
and be completely embedded within this reality,

616
00:45:10.706 --> 00:45:16.506
Speaker 2: comp- to completely be a, um, a
player in this, uh, reality,

617
00:45:17.226 --> 00:45:22.606
Speaker 2: this physical instantiation. Um, and

618
00:45:23.466 --> 00:45:29.086
Speaker 2: some people remember their past
lives. You know, some people-- There's quite

619
00:45:29.706 --> 00:45:34.746
Speaker 2: well documented-- Uh, it's, it's,
it's very well documented that, um,

620
00:45:36.186 --> 00:45:39.946
Speaker 2: many children can remember past life
experiences. Um,

621
00:45:41.506 --> 00:45:46.326
Speaker 2: but it would just be so confusing,
right? 'Cause we're-- Uh, this life is already
so

622
00:45:46.446 --> 00:45:52.186
Speaker 2: full, and this, uh, perceptual
apparatus

623
00:45:52.946 --> 00:45:58.886
Speaker 2: already so, [chuckles] uh, focused on
this level of reality that to

624
00:45:59.306 --> 00:46:04.146
Speaker 2: put other information in would just
totally, like-- It'd just be confusing. You'd

625
00:46:04.166 --> 00:46:07.846
Speaker 2: probably have a psychotic episode.
It'd be hard to, like, really integrate a self

626
00:46:08.006 --> 00:46:13.566
Speaker 2: that is so expansive while we're
remaining focused on this, in this plane during

627
00:46:13.606 --> 00:46:18.746
Speaker 2: this period of time. Uh, so that's
one thought that came up, uh,

628
00:46:19.486 --> 00:46:25.306
Speaker 2: why we might not remember that we
made certain decisions. Uh, and then

629
00:46:25.326 --> 00:46:30.986
Speaker 2: a-also, like it's-- The, uh, uh, the
reincarnation framework really help, helps me

630
00:46:31.006 --> 00:46:36.386
Speaker 2: understand some of these thing, these
things as well. And like, you know, and karma

631
00:46:36.486 --> 00:46:40.566
Speaker 2: and things like that, like why
certain things happen to us or why, you know,
some

632
00:46:40.906 --> 00:46:46.566
Speaker 2: certain patterns k- seem to keep
repeating. Uh, and it's because there's a

633
00:46:46.646 --> 00:46:51.986
Speaker 2: certain reason that we were born or
that we chose to be born into this life, uh,

634
00:46:52.946 --> 00:46:58.846
Speaker 2: to learn certain things, to
experience certain things. Um, and-- Or to have
just,

635
00:46:59.026 --> 00:47:03.226
Speaker 2: yeah, just have certain kinds of
experiences to enhance our soul, to deepen our,
you

636
00:47:03.286 --> 00:47:08.426
Speaker 2: know, that, that, that wellspring
that we're s- that we're coming from,

637
00:47:09.246 --> 00:47:11.446
Speaker 2: um, the deeper soul, the deeper self,
I guess.

638
00:47:13.046 --> 00:47:17.506
Speaker 2: And, uh, and then when we die, you
know, we remember. You know? [chuckles] It's
like

639
00:47:17.546 --> 00:47:22.766
Speaker 2: an ego death, like in psychedelic
experiences. Um, I often have this experience

640
00:47:22.846 --> 00:47:28.846
Speaker 2: like, of like, you know, my ego
dissolving, maybe like a deeper sense of my

641
00:47:28.866 --> 00:47:32.926
Speaker 2: physical body, but there's like this
energetic, you know, sort of awareness that

642
00:47:32.986 --> 00:47:38.726
Speaker 2: comes online. And it's like, uh, just
this really expansive state. And it's like,

643
00:47:38.726 --> 00:47:43.866
Speaker 2: "Oh, this is who I am. Why do I keep
forgetting?" But then when the medicine wears

644
00:47:43.946 --> 00:47:49.446
Speaker 2: off and I congeal back into this, uh,
the self and, uh,

645
00:47:50.786 --> 00:47:54.606
Speaker 2: and I forget. You know, I can, I can
remember snippets or I remember, like, I can

646
00:47:54.646 --> 00:47:59.426
Speaker 2: describe what it was like, but I'm
not in it. You know, if I was, if I had my, um,

647
00:48:00.526 --> 00:48:06.386
Speaker 2: apertures fully open all the time
like that, I would not be functional. You know?

648
00:48:06.446 --> 00:48:12.006
Speaker 2: Like, it's a-- I wouldn't be able to
cross a street or make my breakfast, you know?

649
00:48:12.066 --> 00:48:15.886
Speaker 2: [chuckles] Like, take a shower, like
do all the, it's, this-- I definitely wouldn't

650
00:48:15.926 --> 00:48:20.846
Speaker 2: be able to take care of my kids
[chuckles] if I was always in that state. Um,

651
00:48:22.246 --> 00:48:24.526
Speaker 2: so that's where my mind goes with
some of that stuff. And then I'll, and then

652
00:48:24.766 --> 00:48:25.506
Speaker 2: another thing...

653
00:48:27.066 --> 00:48:30.726
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would also, it would, like,
I, I think it would be really cool to be able

654
00:48:30.766 --> 00:48:36.006
Speaker 2: to just be like, [snaps finger] bar
of gold, clunk, you know? Like a, a wizard,

655
00:48:36.166 --> 00:48:39.586
Speaker 2: right? Or to have these kinda like--
I, I mean, I've, I've always been fascinated

656
00:48:39.626 --> 00:48:45.362
Speaker 2: with the yogic superpowers, the
siddhis. And, uh, you know, like to fly, and
there's

657
00:48:45.402 --> 00:48:49.702
Speaker 2: like, there's just stories of like
really incredible things that people who have

658
00:48:49.742 --> 00:48:55.482
Speaker 2: been, you know, practicing knowing
themselves in the yogic traditions

659
00:48:56.002 --> 00:48:58.802
Speaker 2: very deeply are able to accomplish.
Um,

660
00:49:00.502 --> 00:49:05.182
Speaker 2: flying, shooting fire out of their
hands, walking on walls, you know, and, and
more,

661
00:49:05.282 --> 00:49:10.162
Speaker 2: you know, telepathy, telekinesis, all
these kinds of things. Uh, but imagine if like

662
00:49:11.202 --> 00:49:14.322
Speaker 2: a two-year-old could do that.
[laughs]

663
00:49:14.562 --> 00:49:14.902
Speaker 1: Imagine.

664
00:49:14.962 --> 00:49:18.982
Speaker 2: You know, or like, or just any, uh,
everyone, like our reality would just be totally

665
00:49:19.022 --> 00:49:23.742
Speaker 2: ca- total chaos and wouldn't, we
wouldn't be able to live and work together at
all.

666
00:49:24.002 --> 00:49:26.842
Speaker 2: So there has to be like, there has to
be something, you know? Like

667
00:49:28.682 --> 00:49:34.442
Speaker 2: maybe collectively we're evolving
towards a place where we have more of those

668
00:49:34.482 --> 00:49:36.162
Speaker 2: capacities, uh,

669
00:49:37.762 --> 00:49:43.742
Speaker 2: as like a baseline. But, uh, it takes
time and evolution and

670
00:49:43.942 --> 00:49:48.462
Speaker 2: maturity to get to the point where we
can all kind of like live in a reality that is

671
00:49:48.702 --> 00:49:50.562
Speaker 2: so malleable like that.

672
00:49:52.022 --> 00:49:55.982
Speaker 1: Dude, you hit the nail on the head,
uh, 'cause that's my understanding as well. So

673
00:49:56.022 --> 00:50:00.822
Speaker 1: this is not relayed to me, but like,
uh, it just follows, right? Uh, this is just

674
00:50:00.882 --> 00:50:05.482
Speaker 1: inference. Like what a beautiful
design. Like this isn't a prison. You're not
able

675
00:50:05.542 --> 00:50:09.382
Speaker 1: to not make a block of gold or food
for your starving child appear because, you

676
00:50:09.422 --> 00:50:14.182
Speaker 1: know, the, this sort of living
conscious universe doesn't care. It's because

677
00:50:15.502 --> 00:50:20.162
Speaker 1: there are implications to being able
to do that. Like if everyone believed that, you

678
00:50:20.222 --> 00:50:24.362
Speaker 1: know, 2020, '12, the world's gonna
blow up, it would literally blow up. Like if

679
00:50:24.402 --> 00:50:27.742
Speaker 1: everyone believes this virus is gonna
kill everyone, it's gonna kill everyone. Like

680
00:50:27.782 --> 00:50:30.662
Speaker 1: there are downsides to having
malleable control-

681
00:50:31.102 --> 00:50:31.122
Speaker 2: Hmm

682
00:50:31.122 --> 00:50:34.462
Speaker 1: ... over your reality if you don't
know what you're doing. You are like a

683
00:50:34.522 --> 00:50:40.222
Speaker 1: two-year-old with like immense power.
Like that could be bad unless you were at a

684
00:50:40.282 --> 00:50:45.262
Speaker 1: degree of like control and like
wisdom and like care to like not

685
00:50:46.142 --> 00:50:49.342
Speaker 1: destroy yourself and not understand
what was happening to you. Like in the same way

686
00:50:49.382 --> 00:50:54.322
Speaker 1: you don't get, let children drive
cars, not because we don't like kids or we don't

687
00:50:54.342 --> 00:50:57.362
Speaker 1: like them to go fast, but because we
don't want them to destroy things and hurt

688
00:50:57.382 --> 00:50:58.062
Speaker 1: themselves. It's not-

689
00:50:58.182 --> 00:50:58.282
Speaker 2: Yeah

690
00:50:58.282 --> 00:51:02.862
Speaker 1: ... kind to let them do that. Or you
don't, you put a baby gate on the stairs, not

691
00:51:02.882 --> 00:51:06.942
Speaker 1: because stairs aren't useful, uh, and
we don't want babies to have stairs, but

692
00:51:06.982 --> 00:51:12.022
Speaker 1: because it wouldn't be good. They
would hurt themselves and others. Like it, it's

693
00:51:12.042 --> 00:51:17.382
Speaker 1: not good. So it's, my, my feeling is
that obviously this looks like a progression

694
00:51:17.462 --> 00:51:22.882
Speaker 1: system. Like this is why being kind
to others and like resolving your problems, stop

695
00:51:22.942 --> 00:51:28.022
Speaker 1: judging, like that is why you get
more power. It's because you're just by like an

696
00:51:28.062 --> 00:51:34.002
Speaker 1: inherent design, at least of our
portion of reality space, the more responsible
you

697
00:51:34.102 --> 00:51:38.282
Speaker 1: are, the more power and awareness you
can have, right? It just follows, right? We

698
00:51:38.342 --> 00:51:41.882
Speaker 1: know you're probably gonna be a good
actor with it, right? But you're also gonna be

699
00:51:41.942 --> 00:51:47.582
Speaker 1: with other people who have the same
level of power, right? So if I want to make a

700
00:51:47.622 --> 00:51:52.342
Speaker 1: block of uranium appear, that's gonna
kill everyone in the room, uh, at some point.

701
00:51:52.922 --> 00:51:56.602
Speaker 1: But if everyone else in the room is
also aware that they're immortal and they can't

702
00:51:56.642 --> 00:51:59.982
Speaker 1: die and can control their own
reality, they just snap it away and go, "What
the hell

703
00:52:00.002 --> 00:52:04.502
Speaker 1: are you doing, dude? What was that
for?" [chuckles] Right? It, but it's a big deal

704
00:52:04.582 --> 00:52:08.342
Speaker 1: if everyone else in the room can't do
that. Now you're a god and you're a tyrant,

705
00:52:08.602 --> 00:52:12.442
Speaker 1: and you're killing people. Like
there's a big difference, right? You can't be

706
00:52:12.482 --> 00:52:15.662
Speaker 1: playing at that level because the
obvious consequence is you'll wreck stuff,

707
00:52:15.782 --> 00:52:21.702
Speaker 1: including yourself. So it's gotta be
doled out, uh, commiserate with not hurting

708
00:52:21.742 --> 00:52:24.842
Speaker 1: yourself, uh, and others, like as
you're ready for it.

709
00:52:25.342 --> 00:52:25.382
Speaker 2: Hmm.

710
00:52:25.482 --> 00:52:30.302
Speaker 1: And so the awareness precedes
control. But this explains the Siddhi
superpowers that

711
00:52:30.342 --> 00:52:33.922
Speaker 1: you just described, and how do they
talk about doing it in like the Yoga Sutras?

712
00:52:33.962 --> 00:52:38.742
Speaker 1: Like you basically just stare at
something or a concept long enough that you
realize

713
00:52:38.782 --> 00:52:42.642
Speaker 1: that you are it, and then you forget
that there's any difference between you, and

714
00:52:42.662 --> 00:52:47.202
Speaker 1: then somehow you just get direct
control over it intuitively and easily. It just

715
00:52:47.242 --> 00:52:51.122
Speaker 1: happens. Like you can just do it in
the same way you move your arm. You can do stuff

716
00:52:51.162 --> 00:52:55.942
Speaker 1: now because they just like pierced
it. It's like, and why can they do that? Because

717
00:52:55.982 --> 00:53:01.542
Speaker 1: it's also just them. Uh, they've sort
of hacked another layer without

718
00:53:01.582 --> 00:53:05.222
Speaker 1: realizing what they were doing
necessarily. They have words for it, and they,
it's

719
00:53:05.262 --> 00:53:10.722
Speaker 1: kind of similar. They were close, but
this is a more like concise model for how that

720
00:53:10.762 --> 00:53:14.342
Speaker 1: works, is they're, they're piercing
through another layer and directly controlling

721
00:53:14.402 --> 00:53:17.862
Speaker 1: it like you control your arm, because
it's just you. There is no difference, and

722
00:53:17.902 --> 00:53:21.942
Speaker 1: that's why you can do those things is
you can kind of like brute force it, right? If

723
00:53:22.002 --> 00:53:26.642
Speaker 1: you're determined enough, even while
you're still here. It's not-- All rules are

724
00:53:26.682 --> 00:53:31.082
Speaker 1: soft rules. It is your reality. Uh,
like there's only a few hard rules, and that's

725
00:53:31.122 --> 00:53:36.662
Speaker 1: one of them. So you can, to an
extent, break the game. Uh, I don't know what

726
00:53:36.702 --> 00:53:40.602
Speaker 1: happens. I think when enough people
start doing that, I think it changes the game. I

727
00:53:40.622 --> 00:53:42.282
Speaker 1: think you end up like-

728
00:53:42.942 --> 00:53:43.062
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm

729
00:53:43.062 --> 00:53:46.802
Speaker 1: ... being moved out, right? I think
we're seeing that now. Uh, you can see a bunch

730
00:53:46.842 --> 00:53:51.262
Speaker 1: of psi powers and like UFO phenomena.
Weird stuff is happening. Like it's-

731
00:53:51.342 --> 00:53:51.462
Speaker 2: Yeah

732
00:53:51.542 --> 00:53:52.982
Speaker 1: ... the veil feels a little thin.

733
00:53:53.322 --> 00:53:53.482
Speaker 2: Hmm.

734
00:53:53.602 --> 00:53:56.822
Speaker 1: I think that's because more people
are doing this. Like it collectively affects us

735
00:53:56.942 --> 00:54:01.682
Speaker 1: all. Like you ki- you all kind of get
upgraded more or less to a degree as a group,

736
00:54:01.722 --> 00:54:05.262
Speaker 1: 'cause we're all connected. So I
think that that's what's happening. That's my

737
00:54:05.322 --> 00:54:10.382
Speaker 1: inference, right? There's a little
bit more to this direct experience, but I mean,

738
00:54:10.462 --> 00:54:13.242
Speaker 1: that's what I would follow up with.
Like that was what I got out of it.

739
00:54:14.902 --> 00:54:18.922
Speaker 2: Uh, that's, that's a great setup for
this curveball question I was gonna throw you,

740
00:54:19.402 --> 00:54:24.782
Speaker 2: um, which is this, 'cause you
mentioned that imagination is a space, and now

741
00:54:24.822 --> 00:54:29.662
Speaker 2: physical real- and physical reality
is its own kind of space. But as these abilities

742
00:54:29.742 --> 00:54:34.062
Speaker 2: develop more, and as more and more
people begin to develop them, then the physical

743
00:54:34.122 --> 00:54:39.722
Speaker 2: reality begins to look more like
imagination, you know? So is it like we're all,

744
00:54:39.742 --> 00:54:44.762
Speaker 2: we're just in these, this nested
reality where like what was once imagination was
at

745
00:54:44.842 --> 00:54:49.422
Speaker 2: some p- point in the very, very
distant past a physical layer, and maybe there
was

746
00:54:49.442 --> 00:54:50.122
Speaker 2: an imagination

747
00:54:53.892 --> 00:54:58.972
Speaker 1: So they are not separate. There is no
wall between your imagination and physical

748
00:54:59.052 --> 00:55:00.912
Speaker 1: reality. It's a continuum.

749
00:55:01.132 --> 00:55:01.352
Speaker 2: Okay.

750
00:55:01.912 --> 00:55:06.652
Speaker 1: Um, but yeah, and so in other places
that are non-physical, they're much closer to

751
00:55:06.692 --> 00:55:10.092
Speaker 1: the imagination space, right? It's
very fluid, and it acts like that. But that
stuff

752
00:55:10.132 --> 00:55:14.472
Speaker 1: is real, yo. Like, it's a table. It's
a table as much as it is a table in the

753
00:55:14.512 --> 00:55:17.792
Speaker 1: physical world. It's just like, it's
fast and loose, baby. You can make it a snake

754
00:55:17.832 --> 00:55:22.612
Speaker 1: now. Now it's a snake. [chuckles] You
can do whatever you want. There's still atoms,

755
00:55:22.672 --> 00:55:27.372
Speaker 1: and there's still rules, but even
those are malleable too. So this is, like, at

756
00:55:27.432 --> 00:55:31.992
Speaker 1: another end of a spectrum for
stability and, like, enforcement. But
ultimately, it

757
00:55:32.112 --> 00:55:36.372
Speaker 1: is the same thing. There is no
disconnection. Like, there's a smooth, uh, space

758
00:55:36.412 --> 00:55:40.492
Speaker 1: between them. That is a great segue
because that-- This is, like, the last point,

759
00:55:40.592 --> 00:55:45.972
Speaker 1: which is, like, opening and closing.
Like, closing is not bad. Closing to an idea

760
00:55:46.072 --> 00:55:50.772
Speaker 1: is, is good. Like, I wanna be closed
to, like, entering abusive, like, relationships

761
00:55:50.832 --> 00:55:55.232
Speaker 1: when I'm looking for a new partner,
right? That makes it, like, extremely unlikely

762
00:55:55.272 --> 00:56:00.572
Speaker 1: to happen. And if you had complete
control over your reality because you were, you

763
00:56:00.632 --> 00:56:04.112
Speaker 1: know, some hyper-advanced
consciousness, then you could literally make it

764
00:56:04.152 --> 00:56:08.252
Speaker 1: impossible, uh, for an abusive person
to enter your life. They just never would.

765
00:56:08.952 --> 00:56:13.472
Speaker 1: Just events would conspire,
synchronicity, to make sure it never happens.
I--

766
00:56:13.752 --> 00:56:17.672
Speaker 1: Because you're completely closed to
it. Um, so you can be partially open or closed

767
00:56:17.712 --> 00:56:21.792
Speaker 1: to different aspects of things. And
being closed to stuff isn't bad. And what was

768
00:56:21.832 --> 00:56:27.312
Speaker 1: described to me is that it allows you
to create. So you close to create on your own.

769
00:56:27.352 --> 00:56:31.212
Speaker 1: Like, if I'm closed off to something,
now I have a blank canvas with which to

770
00:56:31.252 --> 00:56:37.012
Speaker 1: create. Um, uh, so I'm closing off to
the other people pouring their

771
00:56:37.072 --> 00:56:42.172
Speaker 1: ideas, thoughts through culture,
through peer pressure, through, uh, literal
thought

772
00:56:42.232 --> 00:56:46.392
Speaker 1: fields or emotional fields or
whatever, right? I'm closing off to that so that
I can

773
00:56:46.432 --> 00:56:52.292
Speaker 1: create my own stuff from whole cloth,
right? Uh, that's what it allows you... When

774
00:56:52.312 --> 00:56:56.612
Speaker 1: you close to things, now you can
create. But when you're open, you're allowing
other

775
00:56:56.692 --> 00:57:00.832
Speaker 1: people to pour in their creations,
right? Writing on your canvas, basically, is
what

776
00:57:00.851 --> 00:57:04.092
Speaker 1: they're doing, and that's how it
works. So it's this push-pull. That's all there
is,

777
00:57:04.172 --> 00:57:07.712
Speaker 1: is opening and closing. Like, all of
the reality exists by permission at these

778
00:57:07.732 --> 00:57:11.852
Speaker 1: different layers. Whether or not you
are aware that you are these other pieces,

779
00:57:12.092 --> 00:57:15.392
Speaker 1: they're still there, and they're
still doing their job. They don't requi- Like,
your

780
00:57:15.412 --> 00:57:19.812
Speaker 1: body doesn't require your conscious
awareness to pump blood. It just does it. It

781
00:57:19.832 --> 00:57:24.692
Speaker 1: kind of does it whether you want it
to or not. Like, it's like that. Uh, similar

782
00:57:24.752 --> 00:57:28.932
Speaker 1: idea, but that extends well beyond
your physical body into everything. And if you

783
00:57:28.992 --> 00:57:33.652
Speaker 1: knew how, just by being open or
closed with just intention, literally just your

784
00:57:33.672 --> 00:57:37.752
Speaker 1: beliefs, your intentions, your
thoughts, your emotions, you could change
anything

785
00:57:37.772 --> 00:57:42.152
Speaker 1: that happens. And I mean, this is
the, like, the real magic is that this is why

786
00:57:42.292 --> 00:57:46.492
Speaker 1: manifestation and attention are so
important, is they are like the lever by which

787
00:57:46.532 --> 00:57:51.492
Speaker 1: you can start to pry this stuff open.
Uh, because you can intend to change. You can

788
00:57:51.532 --> 00:57:55.072
Speaker 1: intend to have more ability and more
awareness. You can intend to be a better

789
00:57:55.112 --> 00:57:58.892
Speaker 1: person. [chuckles] You can... That
becomes a lever that gives you a bigger lever

790
00:57:59.132 --> 00:58:03.712
Speaker 1: that creates a multiplicative effect,
which is how consciousness development can

791
00:58:03.772 --> 00:58:07.312
Speaker 1: happen in a practical sense. Saying
nothing about religious or spiritual, like,

792
00:58:07.592 --> 00:58:13.272
Speaker 1: meanings, just like the mechanics,
the metaphysical mechanics of it. You intend to

793
00:58:13.312 --> 00:58:16.972
Speaker 1: have experiences. You intend to be
more aware. You intend to have more direct

794
00:58:16.972 --> 00:58:21.932
Speaker 1: control. You intend to be able to
move a piece of tin foil. And eventually, you
get

795
00:58:21.972 --> 00:58:24.552
Speaker 1: good at it, and then you see it work,
or you see somebody else do it, and you

796
00:58:24.572 --> 00:58:28.012
Speaker 1: believe it. Or you're around each
other, and it becomes more easy because they all

797
00:58:28.052 --> 00:58:28.832
Speaker 1: believe it's possible.

798
00:58:29.112 --> 00:58:29.252
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

799
00:58:29.332 --> 00:58:33.832
Speaker 1: All these effects happen. Other
people culturally being open to this idea makes
it

800
00:58:33.892 --> 00:58:37.092
Speaker 1: possible for someone on the other
side of the planet who didn't realize that, it's

801
00:58:37.152 --> 00:58:42.032
Speaker 1: easier for them to move the tin foil
now. Uh, like, because there's a lot of forces

802
00:58:42.072 --> 00:58:46.152
Speaker 1: at different layers, so you can be
open or closed to different layers, and that
that

803
00:58:46.232 --> 00:58:52.192
Speaker 1: is what controls what happens. Um,
and so whether you know it or not, you, these--

804
00:58:52.412 --> 00:58:56.452
Speaker 1: it's all you in different pieces. And
whether those pieces are open, whether it's

805
00:58:56.472 --> 00:59:02.452
Speaker 1: psychological or emotional or
physical, if you knew how, that controls what

806
00:59:02.512 --> 00:59:06.472
Speaker 1: happens or doesn't happen. And there
is no consensus mechanism. This was, like, the

807
00:59:06.532 --> 00:59:10.512
Speaker 1: last idea. If Person A and Person B,
and then we'll just ask whatever you want.

808
00:59:10.991 --> 00:59:15.272
Speaker 1: Person A and Person B see an apple on
the table. I fielded this question. If I want

809
00:59:15.312 --> 00:59:17.992
Speaker 1: an apple to be there and I have
perfect control over it, I have to explore the
edge

810
00:59:18.052 --> 00:59:21.312
Speaker 1: cases, man. This is like, okay,
you're giving me all this crap. I'm, like, dead

811
00:59:21.352 --> 00:59:25.412
Speaker 1: tired now. I'm running on fumes, but
I need to know 'cause this still doesn't make

812
00:59:25.472 --> 00:59:29.952
Speaker 1: sense to me. Let's say we both have
perfect control over our reality. We're gurus.

813
00:59:29.992 --> 00:59:34.852
Speaker 1: We get it. If I want an apple on the
table and you don't want an apple on the table-

814
00:59:35.392 --> 00:59:35.412
Speaker 2: Hmm

815
00:59:35.412 --> 00:59:39.492
Speaker 1: ... what happens? Like, because now I
can get it. Like, you're more powerful. You

816
00:59:39.532 --> 00:59:43.312
Speaker 1: can make stuff happen. I can't stop
you 'cause I'm less aware. Cool. That makes

817
00:59:43.352 --> 00:59:48.432
Speaker 1: sense to me. But what happens when
we're equally matched? Which one happens? And
she

818
00:59:48.492 --> 00:59:54.052
Speaker 1: responds with, quote, "There is no
consensus mechanism. It is your,

819
00:59:54.312 --> 00:59:58.772
Speaker 1: always your reality. You are the
consensus mechanism." And so the last two
sentences

820
00:59:58.792 --> 01:00:03.032
Speaker 1: are paraphrased, but there is no
consensus mechanism. What's the tiebreaker?
There's

821
01:00:03.072 --> 01:00:08.012
Speaker 1: no tiebreaker. They both happen. In
their reality, there's no apple. In your

822
01:00:08.052 --> 01:00:14.052
Speaker 1: reality, there is an apple. That's
it. That's how it works. And I'm like, "Ugh."

823
01:00:14.232 --> 01:00:17.972
Speaker 1: So this is when, like, the
copy-paste, like, no, no, like, literally,
you're in your

824
01:00:17.992 --> 01:00:22.552
Speaker 1: own world here, buddy. It is all
yours. Uh, that's when this really starts to
come

825
01:00:22.592 --> 01:00:26.832
Speaker 1: into play is when there's
differences. Now you begin to see the incredible

826
01:00:26.892 --> 01:00:31.312
Speaker 1: importance of who you associate with,
what you believe, [chuckles] what you want,

827
01:00:31.372 --> 01:00:35.532
Speaker 1: what you don't want, what you're
afraid of. What you're afraid of creates
something

828
01:00:35.572 --> 01:00:37.512
Speaker 1: in the same way that wanting it does.

829
01:00:38.252 --> 01:00:38.452
Speaker 2: Hmm.

830
01:00:38.452 --> 01:00:41.932
Speaker 1: Uh, because that's just how it works.
It's a separate thing if you're familiar with

831
01:00:41.952 --> 01:00:45.672
Speaker 1: the law of one or whatever. That's
the law of confusion. So repelling something

832
01:00:46.092 --> 01:00:48.712
Speaker 1: actually opens you up to it. So
there's all these weird edge cases.

833
01:00:49.512 --> 01:00:49.592
Speaker 2: Yeah.

834
01:00:49.632 --> 01:00:52.352
Speaker 1: The more afraid you are of something,
you can-- People talk about being jinx,

835
01:00:52.512 --> 01:00:56.532
Speaker 1: jinxing something or whatever. Like,
this is why this happens. You're terrified of

836
01:00:56.572 --> 01:00:59.572
Speaker 1: it happening, and then it happens.
Like, well, you made it happen because you're

837
01:00:59.832 --> 01:01:03.192
Speaker 1: feeding it with all this fear and
attention and belief that it could happen to
you.

838
01:01:03.612 --> 01:01:03.652
Speaker 2: Hmm.

839
01:01:03.672 --> 01:01:08.152
Speaker 1: It's the belief that it could happen
Or that it will happen to you. Not whether you

840
01:01:08.192 --> 01:01:12.112
Speaker 1: want it or not that changes it. And
that, that seems cruel, but once you understand

841
01:01:12.172 --> 01:01:16.632
Speaker 1: that, like, okay, it's actually
neutrality, complete indifference that closes
you

842
01:01:16.692 --> 01:01:22.332
Speaker 1: off to something. Like, "Nope, I
don't believe this." Now, it's not perfect,
because

843
01:01:22.372 --> 01:01:25.432
Speaker 1: a car will still hit you even if you
believe it will never happen. It may ma- like,

844
01:01:25.692 --> 01:01:30.372
Speaker 1: make it less likely to use the
psychological and emotional layers of self to
believe

845
01:01:30.432 --> 01:01:35.592
Speaker 1: something will never happen. You got
levers on those layers, but that physics is--

846
01:01:35.872 --> 01:01:39.772
Speaker 1: That car is still gonna hit you, uh,
because you haven't... You can lean on the

847
01:01:39.792 --> 01:01:44.972
Speaker 1: physical layer with those things. You
can alter them, but it's slow. Like, that

848
01:01:45.032 --> 01:01:48.952
Speaker 1: pipeline from imagination or whatever
to non-physical stuff to physical, it's still

849
01:01:49.012 --> 01:01:54.812
Speaker 1: real, but it's not instantaneous, and
you can't just, like, change physics

850
01:01:54.892 --> 01:01:59.492
Speaker 1: unless you're sufficiently strong,
because those layers of self have a bigger
lever,

851
01:01:59.852 --> 01:02:03.232
Speaker 1: and they, they don't care what you
want right now, because that's the kind of world

852
01:02:03.272 --> 01:02:06.772
Speaker 1: we live in right now. They're not
hard rules, right? It's just server settings.

853
01:02:08.032 --> 01:02:08.232
Speaker 2: Hmm.

854
01:02:09.372 --> 01:02:10.711
Speaker 1: So there you have it. This is-

855
01:02:10.932 --> 01:02:10.933
Speaker 2: Hmm

856
01:02:10.932 --> 01:02:14.412
Speaker 1: ... more or less the end of the
experience. You know, I ask some odd one-off

857
01:02:14.492 --> 01:02:18.532
Speaker 1: questions about other things, but
that's the, the general idea.

858
01:02:20.652 --> 01:02:25.152
Speaker 2: I love your, uh, thought experiment
about the two gurus. [chuckles]

859
01:02:25.292 --> 01:02:25.512
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

860
01:02:26.292 --> 01:02:31.132
Speaker 2: And it's like this, this battle of
wills or, you know, whose, whose consciousness
is

861
01:02:31.212 --> 01:02:33.492
Speaker 2: stronger, and it's like, well, if
they're evenly matched, then-

862
01:02:33.652 --> 01:02:34.812
Speaker 1: They both win

863
01:02:34.812 --> 01:02:39.312
Speaker 2: ... it, it makes me, makes me think
of like the, this like multiverse theory that,

864
01:02:39.852 --> 01:02:45.752
Speaker 2: um, a new universe spawns every time
a choice is made or a significant

865
01:02:45.812 --> 01:02:46.152
Speaker 2: choice-

866
01:02:46.192 --> 01:02:46.412
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm

867
01:02:46.712 --> 01:02:49.692
Speaker 2: ... or so it's just like there's an
infinite number of universes 'cause they're all

868
01:02:49.752 --> 01:02:54.932
Speaker 2: just like constantly spawning out. So
in that case, it's like, well, uh,

869
01:02:55.752 --> 01:02:59.832
Speaker 2: you were stronger. You know? You were
the guru who was stronger, and in that, in the

870
01:02:59.872 --> 01:03:01.752
Speaker 2: universe that you continue to live
off into,

871
01:03:03.572 --> 01:03:05.912
Speaker 2: you're, you're victorious.

872
01:03:08.472 --> 01:03:12.552
Speaker 2: But I don't know. I'm not, I'm not
satisfied with that, 'cause like you, your

873
01:03:12.592 --> 01:03:18.372
Speaker 2: thought experiment is like they're
evenly matched. It should be like... [chuckles]

874
01:03:18.492 --> 01:03:22.972
Speaker 1: So what happens? They both get-- They
both win. In one-- They both feel like they

875
01:03:23.012 --> 01:03:25.372
Speaker 1: won. "Ha ha, no apple. You lose."
Now-

876
01:03:25.392 --> 01:03:28.592
Speaker 2: But then they spawn off into univer-
It's like Rick and, Rick and Morty, right? Like

877
01:03:28.952 --> 01:03:29.172
Speaker 2: there's-

878
01:03:29.212 --> 01:03:29.213
Speaker 1: Yes

879
01:03:29.212 --> 01:03:31.052
Speaker 2: ... the Rickest Rick, right? There's
a universe-

880
01:03:31.152 --> 01:03:31.153
Speaker 1: Yeah

881
01:03:31.152 --> 01:03:36.412
Speaker 2: ... where, uh, you know, Rick Sanchez
is like the most Rick amongst all the Ricks in

882
01:03:36.472 --> 01:03:37.872
Speaker 2: all the mul- the multiverse, right?

883
01:03:38.292 --> 01:03:38.592
Speaker 1: You found the crack.

884
01:03:38.592 --> 01:03:42.912
Speaker 2: But then you split, you split off,
and your, your, your double, who's like evenly

885
01:03:42.972 --> 01:03:46.752
Speaker 2: matched with you, is now in a
completely different universe that you can't
access.

886
01:03:46.752 --> 01:03:48.132
Speaker 2: [chuckles]

887
01:03:48.212 --> 01:03:53.192
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say you couldn't access.
This is where it gets weird. So this question is

888
01:03:53.232 --> 01:03:54.252
Speaker 1: not answered, right?

889
01:03:54.292 --> 01:03:54.293
Speaker 2: Okay.

890
01:03:54.332 --> 01:03:57.872
Speaker 1: So I have this follow-up question
like later on once I've done some thinking on

891
01:03:57.912 --> 01:04:02.012
Speaker 1: this, this exact question. Okay, so
this makes sense. I-- In my world, there's no

892
01:04:02.092 --> 01:04:06.332
Speaker 1: apple. In your world, there's an
apple. But you're still in my world, and you

893
01:04:06.412 --> 01:04:10.772
Speaker 1: definitely wanted the apple. Are you
conscious, or are you now an NPC? Like what

894
01:04:10.812 --> 01:04:11.192
Speaker 1: happened?

895
01:04:11.332 --> 01:04:11.333
Speaker 2: Yeah.

896
01:04:11.372 --> 01:04:16.072
Speaker 1: Are you still here, or is it now just
a puppet? Like... And are you li- how are you

897
01:04:16.252 --> 01:04:20.152
Speaker 1: living in a world where there is an
apple? But you won. You have complete control.

898
01:04:20.412 --> 01:04:23.212
Speaker 1: So how did you end up in a world that
doesn't have one? 'Cause from my perspective,

899
01:04:23.252 --> 01:04:27.212
Speaker 1: you're still here. How did that
happen? This is like a contradiction. It isn't

900
01:04:27.272 --> 01:04:30.852
Speaker 1: explained. Now, I will say like off
the record in a later experience-

901
01:04:30.892 --> 01:04:32.752
Speaker 2: That's reality one thousand twelve
hundred and-

902
01:04:32.772 --> 01:04:34.952
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is... Remember, these are
just, it doesn't explain everything

903
01:04:34.952 --> 01:04:35.072
Speaker 2: ... twelve hundred and five.

904
01:04:35.072 --> 01:04:38.432
Speaker 1: Now you're talking about the edge
case. She told me right at the beginning like,

905
01:04:38.652 --> 01:04:42.292
Speaker 1: "Listen, this doesn't cover
everything. There are things that this doesn't
explain.

906
01:04:42.332 --> 01:04:46.652
Speaker 1: Like there's more. Like I'm giving
you like the next level. There is more. The, the

907
01:04:46.672 --> 01:04:47.692
Speaker 1: numbers keep going up."

908
01:04:48.192 --> 01:04:48.352
Speaker 2: Okay.

909
01:04:48.672 --> 01:04:51.432
Speaker 1: Just because I don't want people to
have to wait. I got a hint at this.

910
01:04:52.112 --> 01:04:52.172
Speaker 2: Oh.

911
01:04:52.452 --> 01:04:52.872
Speaker 1: It's weird.

912
01:04:53.592 --> 01:04:53.652
Speaker 2: Yeah.

913
01:04:53.652 --> 01:04:55.632
Speaker 1: It's weird, and it made me
uncomfortable.

914
01:04:55.972 --> 01:04:56.152
Speaker 2: Hmm.

915
01:04:56.192 --> 01:05:00.512
Speaker 1: But it's not like bad. I don't have
it with high confidence though. This is high

916
01:05:00.552 --> 01:05:04.672
Speaker 1: con- This was shown like in a pretty
profound experience, and I have lived it and it

917
01:05:04.732 --> 01:05:09.592
Speaker 1: feels true. So I personally ascribe
to this. Whatever anyone else believes about

918
01:05:09.632 --> 01:05:13.532
Speaker 1: whether this is true or not, I
personally ascribe to it and have validated it

919
01:05:13.572 --> 01:05:19.272
Speaker 1: myself. Not only was it direct and
profound, but it comports with my experience and

920
01:05:19.332 --> 01:05:25.231
Speaker 1: test it. This slight addendum that I
am adding to address this caveat, like

921
01:05:25.272 --> 01:05:29.412
Speaker 1: what the hell happens to the person
who doesn't want to be in the apple universe?

922
01:05:29.932 --> 01:05:34.172
Speaker 1: How is he still in my world? Like
what, is he conscious? Is he a zombie now? Like

923
01:05:34.192 --> 01:05:39.812
Speaker 1: what happened to him? The answer was
weird, and I... It's much lower confidence.

924
01:05:40.292 --> 01:05:46.152
Speaker 1: My understanding was led to believe
is that they are in that world too.

925
01:05:47.472 --> 01:05:53.132
Speaker 1: But they are like a fingernail.
They're not feeling. Like you're s- they're

926
01:05:53.452 --> 01:05:57.692
Speaker 1: sampling from the same person. Their
consciousness isn't there. Everything about

927
01:05:57.752 --> 01:06:01.992
Speaker 1: them, like how they would react,
their intelligence, their body, everything like
is

928
01:06:02.052 --> 01:06:07.512
Speaker 1: being... You could say it's an NPC,
like they are there. It's them. But they're not

929
01:06:07.592 --> 01:06:11.012
Speaker 1: totally conscious, right? They're,
it's not in their awareness in the same way that

930
01:06:11.332 --> 01:06:16.172
Speaker 1: being a desk isn't in your awareness
now. Um, so some part of you is like, uh, off

931
01:06:16.672 --> 01:06:20.192
Speaker 1: dutifully helping other people live
in the world that you didn't wanna live in as

932
01:06:20.232 --> 01:06:24.932
Speaker 1: yourself, being miserable. But you're
not there. So the quantum universe, the

933
01:06:24.992 --> 01:06:29.292
Speaker 1: Everettian interpretation where it
keeps splitting at every opportunity, I don't

934
01:06:29.312 --> 01:06:32.512
Speaker 1: know, man. That could be true still.
It's just that you're not in those worlds.

935
01:06:32.592 --> 01:06:35.632
Speaker 1: You're not in the world where you get
tortured eternally. Like who would want to?

936
01:06:35.952 --> 01:06:40.332
Speaker 1: Who would wanna be there? It is
happening. It's just, it's like numb. It's like
it's

937
01:06:40.372 --> 01:06:43.372
Speaker 1: happening, but nobody's-- The lights
aren't home, on. Like nobody's home.

938
01:06:43.532 --> 01:06:43.533
Speaker 2: Hmm.

939
01:06:43.552 --> 01:06:47.132
Speaker 1: There's a home, but no, the lights
aren't on. Nobody's actually in there feeling it

940
01:06:47.192 --> 01:06:52.852
Speaker 1: because you don't want to. Your
consciousness is where it wants to be. Uh, that
was

941
01:06:52.932 --> 01:06:57.072
Speaker 1: my understanding of the follow-up,
which would come a month or so after that. But I

942
01:06:57.132 --> 01:06:59.572
Speaker 1: hold that with much lower confidence,
and it's pretty-

943
01:06:59.612 --> 01:06:59.672
Speaker 2: Yeah

944
01:06:59.932 --> 01:07:01.652
Speaker 1: ... freaking weird. [chuckles]

945
01:07:01.852 --> 01:07:04.972
Speaker 2: That's... Something in me like kind
of rebels against that idea.

946
01:07:06.032 --> 01:07:07.352
Speaker 1: I don't like it. And even as-

947
01:07:07.392 --> 01:07:07.393
Speaker 2: Yeah

948
01:07:07.392 --> 01:07:10.092
Speaker 1: ... I say it now, I feel bad, which
means I think I have some of it wrong.

949
01:07:10.092 --> 01:07:14.072
Speaker 2: 'Cause then it's like all, you're
like in a universe full of fingernails. Like

950
01:07:14.512 --> 01:07:14.992
Speaker 2: you're full of-

951
01:07:15.492 --> 01:07:16.092
Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense

952
01:07:16.092 --> 01:07:20.060
Speaker 2: ... it's all your world. And, and I
think it does, it contrasts with what you're,

953
01:07:20.860 --> 01:07:24.500
Speaker 2: you know, the foundation you laid
earlier on, you know, where we're both, you
know,

954
01:07:24.620 --> 01:07:30.400
Speaker 2: two fully conscious beings are in
this reality together. It's like, uh, at some

955
01:07:30.460 --> 01:07:35.280
Speaker 2: point something happens and then that
fully conscious being splits off. It means at

956
01:07:35.320 --> 01:07:40.640
Speaker 2: some point you're the only conscious
being in this world. So that, that contrasts

957
01:07:40.660 --> 01:07:42.200
Speaker 2: with what you're saying. Uh-

958
01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:45.280
Speaker 1: Right. That would be the implications
of if you can't play nice with other people-

959
01:07:45.680 --> 01:07:45.780
Speaker 2: Yeah

960
01:07:45.780 --> 01:07:49.240
Speaker 1: ... and they don't want you in their
world and everyone has punted you out, you're

961
01:07:49.280 --> 01:07:52.500
Speaker 1: living in a world of automatons,
whether you realized it or not, because-

962
01:07:52.540 --> 01:07:52.700
Speaker 2: Hmm

963
01:07:52.720 --> 01:07:57.100
Speaker 1: ... nobody else is open to you
anymore. They've all closed off to you [laughs]

964
01:07:57.160 --> 01:08:01.020
Speaker 1: because you're being a bad boy or
girl. And then, uh, or you're only associating

965
01:08:01.080 --> 01:08:05.580
Speaker 1: with other either low awareness
people who can't stop you, uh, including you,
right?

966
01:08:05.600 --> 01:08:07.900
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that you're better
than them. It just means that you're all just,

967
01:08:08.080 --> 01:08:08.240
Speaker 1: you know-

968
01:08:08.360 --> 01:08:08.440
Speaker 2: Hmm

969
01:08:08.440 --> 01:08:14.200
Speaker 1: ... fighting in the mud 'cause you
don't know better. Or they've left and you're no

970
01:08:14.260 --> 01:08:17.420
Speaker 1: longer in their world or they're not
in yours anymore. That doesn't mean it couldn't

971
01:08:17.460 --> 01:08:21.320
Speaker 1: be changed or that there aren't
underlying unifying layers that always make you,

972
01:08:21.700 --> 01:08:24.679
Speaker 1: like, connected. That is always true.
You're never totally cut off from everybody.

973
01:08:25.380 --> 01:08:28.740
Speaker 1: But if you wanna be off on your own,
like truly alone and closed off to everyone

974
01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:33.820
Speaker 1: else, like, or close to it, you could
have complete control over everything with no

975
01:08:33.880 --> 01:08:39.260
Speaker 1: input from anybody else. But also you
would be sock puppeting all the time.

976
01:08:39.280 --> 01:08:39.300
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

977
01:08:39.340 --> 01:08:42.260
Speaker 1: Right? This is the, this is the
dance. You want people in your, in your server,
you

978
01:08:42.280 --> 01:08:45.680
Speaker 1: gotta be nice. You gotta, or you have
to agree on consense- we all agree on physics,

979
01:08:46.440 --> 01:08:48.780
Speaker 1: right? And that's so we can coexist
with each other.

980
01:08:49.120 --> 01:08:49.140
Speaker 2: Hmm.

981
01:08:49.160 --> 01:08:53.180
Speaker 1: You don't get to fly and shoot lasers
because I, I don't either, right? That's, so

982
01:08:53.220 --> 01:08:58.320
Speaker 1: it's a leveling mechanism. We
adhered, we bound ourselves up by some of these
rules

983
01:08:58.380 --> 01:09:02.180
Speaker 1: so that we could interact with each
other, even if we don't like each other. So I

984
01:09:02.200 --> 01:09:05.500
Speaker 1: think there are protocols and stuff
like that that bind us together and make this,

985
01:09:05.820 --> 01:09:06.380
Speaker 1: in principle,

986
01:09:07.980 --> 01:09:12.880
Speaker 1: you know, not really an edge case.
Like, it's not as big of a deal. Uh, but I have

987
01:09:12.920 --> 01:09:17.680
Speaker 1: much less confidence in this, like,
explanation, and that was, like, given to me

988
01:09:17.720 --> 01:09:22.080
Speaker 1: with some pretty low-grade telepathy,
and I could have misunderstood it. So I don't

989
01:09:22.140 --> 01:09:22.380
Speaker 1: know.

990
01:09:22.500 --> 01:09:23.680
Speaker 2: [laughs]

991
01:09:23.720 --> 01:09:26.700
Speaker 1: But there is an answer to what
happens to-

992
01:09:27.260 --> 01:09:27.261
Speaker 2: Yeah

993
01:09:27.260 --> 01:09:28.020
Speaker 1: ... a person, a human person to be.

994
01:09:28.059 --> 01:09:31.980
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll get the follow-up, uh,
an- answer at a, at a-

995
01:09:31.980 --> 01:09:31.981
Speaker 1: Yeah

996
01:09:31.980 --> 01:09:33.400
Speaker 2: ... future lecture. [laughs]

997
01:09:33.400 --> 01:09:33.420
Speaker 1: Yeah.

998
01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:34.700
Speaker 2: Just put the intention out.

999
01:09:35.480 --> 01:09:38.880
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's how you do it. But
anyway, that's the whole deal. That's the rules
of a

1000
01:09:38.920 --> 01:09:43.000
Speaker 1: multiplayer reality and how we can
all exist together. I, again, take with a shaker

1001
01:09:43.040 --> 01:09:48.800
Speaker 1: of salt what happens in these
collision cases. I don't know. Uh, I have some
hunches

1002
01:09:49.020 --> 01:09:53.520
Speaker 1: informed by some other later stuff,
but it feels off, right?

1003
01:09:53.660 --> 01:09:53.661
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

1004
01:09:53.680 --> 01:09:59.300
Speaker 1: But this, you know, the original
stuff is, like, I'm certain, I am

1005
01:09:59.360 --> 01:10:03.220
Speaker 1: personally certain about it, and I
believe it's testable, and it comports with, and

1006
01:10:03.260 --> 01:10:07.940
Speaker 1: is totally fine with physics and
chemistry. All those things are still real. It's

1007
01:10:08.020 --> 01:10:11.420
Speaker 1: just you. You're the chemicals that
you're mixing together. [laughs] You're the

1008
01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:16.140
Speaker 1: body. You're also the body, but
you're also the chair, the table, your spirit,
your

1009
01:10:16.180 --> 01:10:20.700
Speaker 1: imagination, your thoughts and
emotions. You're the stuff that is coming.
You're all

1010
01:10:20.740 --> 01:10:24.580
Speaker 1: that stuff. It's all coming out of
you, your soul, basically, as an expression.

1011
01:10:25.500 --> 01:10:25.660
Speaker 2: Hmm.

1012
01:10:26.580 --> 01:10:28.060
Speaker 1: So that's what I learned.

1013
01:10:29.580 --> 01:10:34.620
Speaker 2: Cool. Well, enjoyed this
conversation. This is, uh, this is some food for
thought.

1014
01:10:34.700 --> 01:10:36.060
Speaker 2: [laughs] Fascinating.

1015
01:10:36.540 --> 01:10:37.740
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta, you gotta stop
eating.

1016
01:10:37.760 --> 01:10:51.060
Speaker 1: [gentle music]

1017
01:10:51.120 --> 01:10:53.640
Speaker 2: This is Reality 101. Until next time.

1018
01:10:55.120 --> 01:10:59.340
Speaker 1: Nothing is impossible, you're not
going to die, and everything loves you.

1019
01:10:59.460 --> 01:11:09.960
Speaker 1: [gentle music]