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Speaker 1: [gentle music]

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Speaker 1: Reality 101 is a journal of
impossible experiences from first-hand
explorations into

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Speaker 1: the nature of reality, what it means
for all of us, and how you can experience it

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Speaker 1: for yourself.

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Speaker 1: I am Stephen Tremp.

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Speaker 2: And I am Joshua Swenson. This episode
of Reality 101 is called See, Wake

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Speaker 2: Up, Remember. We'll explore how to
know what is real, how to make it real, and what

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Speaker 2: real even means, if anything.

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Speaker 2: So before we dive into that, and, uh,
we always like to do a little check-in in the

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Speaker 2: beginning, so just wondering how
you're arriving today, Stephen. It's a live for

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Speaker 2: you.

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Speaker 1: I'm good. I just went for a run. I,
um, took a little nap, had a pretty good

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Speaker 1: meditation. I always look through my
journals before we do these recordings, so I'm

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Speaker 1: often [chuckles] going to arrive in
the same place, which is, holy crap, a lot has

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Speaker 1: happened to me. [laughs] I just-- You
wouldn't think that you would forget, but my

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Speaker 1: mind is a sieve, and it's just, it's
like I have to load it back up into memory.

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Speaker 1: It's, uh, it's in order to even tell
the story because it just, it all leaves me.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure it's all baked in
there somewhere, and I, I remember the peak

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Speaker 1: moments. But it's, uh, I always come
in in a pretty jovial mood, just like shocked,

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Speaker 1: uh, at what I've been through, and,
uh, excited. So I'm feeling pretty good. I'm

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Speaker 1: about to go on vacation, uh, so I'm
feeling even better because of that. [chuckles]

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Speaker 1: So-

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Speaker 2: Hmm. Where you guys going? Or where
are you going?

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Speaker 1: I'm going on a meditation retreat,
uh, Darren King's-

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Speaker 2: Oh

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Speaker 1: ... meditation retreat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish I, I wish I could've
made it to that. I've been in his classes and

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Speaker 2: really enjoyed that community. And
it's happening in California this year, so it,
it

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Speaker 2: could, it could've happened, but-

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Speaker 1: Could have

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Speaker 2: ... uh, maybe next year. [chuckles]

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Cool. Uh, well, I'm arriving today,
yeah, feeling excited. It was, like, cool to

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Speaker 2: record our last episode, and, uh, the
recording came through well. And yeah, just

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Speaker 2: eager to hear more of your
experiences. It's really been encouraging to

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Speaker 2: hear about your practices and the
experiences that have resulted from those,

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Speaker 2: and the revelations that y- you've
come to through that. I've been doing more of

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Speaker 2: those myself and, uh, since our last
recording,

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Speaker 2: um-

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Speaker 1: You mind if I ask, like, what
specifically?

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Speaker 2: What pr- uh, amongst the practices?
Yeah, I was gonna share. Yeah, I think just,

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Speaker 2: uh... I mean, I'm already doing a lot
of meditation, deep meditation, and I think

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Speaker 2: some of the-- You've shared some
guided meditations with me that have,

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Speaker 2: uh, been useful. Uh, and just, like,
touch points and if- even little parts of,

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Speaker 2: seeing reality differently, uh, and
wondering into that. Um,

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Speaker 2: like you shared about non-dual
experience you had recently. And so I'm, as I'm

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Speaker 2: walking around, I'm-- or just in
meditation, I kind of like stretch my mind, my

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Speaker 2: imagination into that space and
feeling into that possibility. Um, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: I will-- I've, I've been having
these, uh, experiences, uh, where I,

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Speaker 2: I feel as if I'm awakened in the
early hours around 3:00 a.m. Many people

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Speaker 2: who have been doing meditation for a
long time and are on a spiritual path know that

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Speaker 2: is a prime time to meditate and to
have, uh, deep experiences. Uh,

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Speaker 2: I've had many altered state
experiences with psychedelics. Uh, and 3:00 a.m.
I would

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Speaker 2: say is a kind of altered state too,
where everything is really quiet. My mind

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Speaker 2: is quiet. The world is quiet. Many
say that there's

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Speaker 2: a quiet in the psychic space too, as
other b- everyone else around you is sleeping.

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Speaker 1: It's prime time, man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, uh, that's when I have
really deep experiences, what I perceive to be

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Speaker 2: encounters with-- Well, or just
anomalous encounters. I don't, I w- I don't,

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Speaker 2: I won't put a label on these. Um, and
it fits really well into the topic

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Speaker 2: of this episode because these
experiences feel more real than real. Um,

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Speaker 2: my perception is that I am contacting
something or something is in contact with me.

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Speaker 2: And, uh, I'll be sitting in
meditation, and all of a sudden my body will
light up

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Speaker 2: with this kind of tingling sensation,

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Speaker 2: uh, from the core. You know, all my
hair is standing on end, just like a vibrational

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Speaker 2: sort of state. And last time you
shared about meeting your soul

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Speaker 2: mother, and so this time-- And, and
I've been making this intention since our

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Speaker 2: meeting, so that's one, another one
of the practices, the power of intention, and

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Speaker 1: Mm-hmm

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Speaker 2: ... uh, to shape your experience and
shape your reality. You know, I've been making

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Speaker 2: this intention. I want to participate
in greater reality, which is something I

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Speaker 2: learned from you. And then I was
like, "I want to meet my soul family. I want to

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Speaker 2: meet my soul mother." Um, and so I
was sitting in meditation. I get one of these

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Speaker 2: pings. In the past, I've gotten them
with intentionally reaching out to

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Speaker 2: different beings or presences. Like,
I've gotten pings when I reached

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Speaker 2: out to the Earth and felt, you know,
Earth awareness and reaching out to the sun or

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Speaker 2: my ancestors, or, um, I have a, a
relationship with Jesus as well as one of my

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Speaker 2: guides. And all of those are like
kind of, I felt more intentional reaching out.
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Speaker 2: this was like, it felt as if
something was reaching out to me 'cause the ping
just

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Speaker 2: came as I was meditating, and it
brought my awareness down to my heart. Um, and
then

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden this, like, ping
comes, and I was like, "Oh, who is there?" And
then

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Speaker 2: the thought comes, "Soul mother?"
[laughs] And then there's like, as if in

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Speaker 2: response, there's a bigger ping and
this experience proceeds along the lines

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Speaker 2: similar to what you described in
your, our last conversation where

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Speaker 2: it's feels as if the dialogue is
happening, where I'm asking a question and the

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Speaker 2: response comes, but it's my own
thought, you know?

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Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

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Speaker 2: Uh, so I, I'm thinking, "Is this
happening in my own head? Am I making this all
up?"

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Speaker 2: [laughs] And I'm just, you know,
allowing myself to believe into,

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Speaker 2: uh, that possibility that I really am
having a conversation with something, and

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Speaker 2: maybe these, uh, responses are real,
you know, are, are coming from somewhere

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Speaker 2: non-physical, some being, Soul
Mother.

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Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

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Speaker 2: And, uh, yeah. And, um, so it
progressed along those lines. You know, Steven

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Speaker 2: and I are both writers, so, you know,
we've wr- we've both written a lot of

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Speaker 2: dialogue, and it kind of feels like
that, you know? And when you start a

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Speaker 2: conversation,

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Speaker 2: the first person to speak, um,
elicits a particular response from

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Speaker 2: the next person to speak, right? So
if you have character A, character A starts with

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Speaker 2: like, "How are you doing today?"
Character B is gonna say, "I'm doing well. How
are

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Speaker 2: you?" You know, and the dialogue can,
you know, proceed in a, um,

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Speaker 2: predictable fashion based off of
that. We have these scripts running in our
minds.

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Speaker 2: So there's this part of me that's
like there's a cognitive script that's running

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Speaker 2: this. But the other part of me is the
believer that wants to really believe that

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Speaker 2: there's, um, that these responses are
coming from Soul Mother or another being or

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Speaker 2: whatever when, in these situations,
in these experiences I've had. And then the

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Speaker 2: pinging part, you know, that really
feels like, uh, a, a re- a realness, an

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Speaker 2: aliveness, like a vibrancy that's
just, um, more alive than

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Speaker 2: my mundane consciousness, you know?
More visceral and embodied and just

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Speaker 2: magical. [laughs] So yeah, and so
that's, that kind of accompanies the whole

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Speaker 2: conversation, as if in confirmation
of some of these little exchanges.

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Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, so that was the, that was
one of the experiences, and then I had a similar

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Speaker 2: experience the next night, and it was
a perception of meeting my Soul Father.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 2: Um,

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Speaker 2: surprise, it's Jesus. [laughs]

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Speaker 1: [laughs]

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Speaker 2: At least that was my perception at
some point. I was like, "Who is this Soul Father

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Speaker 2: person?" [laughs]

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Speaker 1: Like by appearance or like just
showed up and said, "Yo, what's up, Roger?"

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Speaker 2: By felt. No, no, I don't, I don't
have, I don't have visual, um... I don't have, I

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Speaker 2: don't currently have a visual.

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Speaker 1: Not yet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not yet. It's just kind of like
the c- it's like I think that. I'm like-

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Speaker 1: Mm

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Speaker 2: ... you know, "Soul Father?" And
there's like a ping, and then I'm like-

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Speaker 1: Yeah

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Speaker 2: ... "Jesus?" And there's a ping, you
know?

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Uh, I don't know what that means, but
that's, that's just my experience and, you

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Speaker 2: know, I have shared elsewhere about
my journey of coming into a relationship with

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Speaker 2: the Gnostic Jesus through the lost
years writing this, uh, television pilot

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Speaker 2: I've been working on for a number of
years, and it was just ... How that's been a

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Speaker 2: really transformational experience.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I just wanted to check in
with those two experiences, and I feel like it's

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Speaker 2: really relevant, you know, that, uh,
we're doing this podcast as a kind of

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Speaker 2: like invitation for anybody
listening. Um, I'm, I'm kind of like the guinea
pig-

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Speaker 2: [laughs]

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Speaker 1: It works

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Speaker 2: ... Steven. [laughs]

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Speaker 1: Yeah. You're not the only guinea pig,
but you're, you're definitely like... You're,

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Speaker 1: you're hot on my heels, man. I, I-

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Speaker 2: Yeah

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Speaker 1: ... this is exciting for me because I
get to see somebody else, like vicariously.

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Speaker 1: It's like, cool, I get to watch it
again, and now I get to watch somebody else's

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Speaker 1: like extreme and awesome personal
journey, you know, to the extent-

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Speaker 2: Yeah

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Speaker 1: ... that you're willing to share. Uh,
it's fun for me.

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Speaker 2: I always just love s- like your
enthusiastic responses, too, you know? 'Cause I

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Speaker 2: imagine as you're having these
experiences, I don't know who you could share
them

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Speaker 2: with.

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Speaker 1: I was so alone.

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Speaker 2: You know, and I've had many
experiences in the past where I felt alienated
and

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Speaker 2: isolated as I was beginning to
encounter my, you know, energy and my body, my

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Speaker 2: chakras, and trying to talk about it
with friends and family, and they just get, you

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Speaker 2: get these like eye rolls or something
[laughs] like kind of blank stares.

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Speaker 1: [laughs]

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Speaker 2: So it's just cool to like have
somebody who I can share it with, and then
you're

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Speaker 2: like, "Yeah, man, that made my day.
Keep it up." [laughs]

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Speaker 1: That's awesome.

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Speaker 2: [laughs]

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Speaker 1: Um, so keep going. That's amazing.
Uh, always like, you know, as long as it's not

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Speaker 1: harming you and there's nothing like
bad happening, like always like believe it,

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Speaker 1: right?

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Speaker 2: Mm.

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Speaker 1: Uh, especially early on. It's like
this little tiny ember. Like you gotta stoke
that

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Speaker 1: flame. I'd say trust what you feel,
and to the degree that something feels more real

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Speaker 1: to you, whatever that means, however
you define that, that's a good indicator. It's

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Speaker 1: not perfect. Everything gets filtered
through you. Everything comes through you, so

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Speaker 1: that's ... It's gonna hit all your
insecurities and fears and everything. Like all

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Speaker 1: of that distorts what you see. But I
would trust what you feel very heavily, and the

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Speaker 1: words that you shape out of the
intuition, eh-

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Speaker 2: Right

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Speaker 1: ... when I, the, my-

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Speaker 2: Yeah

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Speaker 1: ... first experience talking like in
like telepathy, didn't know what it was then,

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Speaker 1: was in remote viewing, uh, Iris, my
twin, I can [laughs] say that with a straight

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Speaker 1: face now. But I, I thought that she
was the spirit of the Earth 'cause that was the

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Speaker 1: target.

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Speaker 2: Mm.

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Speaker 1: I was doing a remote viewing training
class. We'd been given a target, and it w-

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Speaker 1: ended up being the spirit of the
Earth. I had no idea that it was that. Like the
one

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Speaker 1: before this was like a Guinness Book
World Records, and then before that was like a

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Speaker 1: picture of like somebody on a high
wire. Like I had no idea what the target was,
and

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Speaker 1: I do it, and I just get this like
huge surge of energy. I'd never felt anything
like

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Speaker 1: it. I'm like, "Holy-"

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Speaker 2: Mm

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Speaker 1: ... "what is happening to me?" And
like somebody is like insanely excited and
trying

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Speaker 1: to talk to me. I'm like, "I do not
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that were blinded. I ended up getting her. It's

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They, they have no cringe factor. They don't
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Speaker 1: They, they'll let you keep believing
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And but sometimes, sometimes it was exactly

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keep going, man. I'm really also... It's really

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perspective, and, uh, yeah, I, the way, I mean,
the

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thought it was funny. Um, given my history and
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the, you know, all of these, that similarly

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pings were reaching out to the earth. Um,

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unfolds. Yeah.

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what I think.

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Speaker 2: All right, man. Yeah. Well, that's,
uh, cool pre- I, I enjoyed this preamble. Um,

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you're gonna take us today. Where, where are

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next day after, uh, personal stories. Um,

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This part of the

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these ideas are hard or unsettling. You should

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like that. It doesn't stop being, like, oh,

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ready for these ideas, but when you actually

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forced to,

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nature. Like, it shatters you. That's the word

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over again, how I thought the world was, who I

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So, you know, if you don't like that, [laughs]

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happen to you or to know how reality works,
like,

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this [laughs] because it is getting in. It's

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it's going to start happening to you if you

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because we're gonna be talking about some more
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yeah, we'll have a lot to get into. Um,

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And the reason this covers four months is

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single through line through this. It's like,
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stories I'm telling today cover four months,
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weaving a cohesive thread out of many

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make sense of it. But as I was going through it,

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happening to me. I have no idea what's going on.
I'm

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what isn't. Some of them are dead ends. Many of

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They're like side quests.

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path. I tell it that way so that it makes sense

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it was nothing like this to experience it where

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Some of them ran into each other. I became

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stuff that didn't work. Like, it was a mess.

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gonna tell it as a cohesive story, and in later

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we're gonna pluck more threads [laughs] out of

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interesting. But today, uh, we're gonna talk

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I'm just, like, glowing,

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looking at things and at people, and I don't
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everything" anymore. I'm, I'm Steven. I'm Steven

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But I know this just happened. Like, I'm just

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go back to the same shape. But I also have

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concern that, like,

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this it? Like, I don't... Like, it's so

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could happen to you, but that's, like, your next

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these peak experiences happen, that does

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maybe the next day. It's like, "Hmm, I don't

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be like that. Um, but you do go back,

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rubber band, or it's like, um, something... If

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where you throw the coin down, like, the

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can get an elliptic orbit where it goes really

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then it rockets way back out again. And so it

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You're like, "Oh, man," and, but then it doesn't
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It's just, it looks like these huge arcs where
you

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and then you rubber band far away. But every
time

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then you f- go away again. Um, so that's what

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before all that, more good stuff, right? So
we're

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and my wife drives. Uh, she always drives. And I

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her very little. [laughs] I told her I'd had
some

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at this point. Like, she knows. But she doesn't

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told anybody. [laughs] What, who am I supposed

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off of this realization. Like, "Oh, I have a

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they're alway- [laughs] always watching me." And

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seat back, and I'm just dozing off, and I can,

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her again, just, like, sitting in the back of

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showing up, kind of like just somebody standing

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Nobody's physically present. Nobody says
anything. Um,

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start to smile, and, like, [laughs] and then

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Um, again, it sounds like my thoughts. Um, I

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um... And the thoughts are, "I

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questions." And a lot of this is intuitive,
right? It's

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saying. But some of it is verbal thoughts. "I
can

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And there's just this huge sense of a smile, a

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Like, [laughs] it's like this is very exciting.

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enough for you. I know you. [laughs] You have a

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Like, you're not done." Like, and I'm like, "I

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know it's not the time, right? Um,

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sitting there with the presence, and she's just,

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away. Like, it's a five-hour car ride, and

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you know, when you get a chance, when you get

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Like, check in with me. I'll wait. I'm not

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time. And when you have a moment, talk to me."

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the car. Um,

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some of it was... [laughs] Here we go. Yeah.

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of synchronicities start to happen, 'cause why

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wouldn't think it would, right? Uh, but it does.
It

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it was? Like, it's the human condition. I don't

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right? So I'm looking out the window, and I'm

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immense sense of gratitude. Again, I wrote, "For

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"for getting to be me," like, regardless of how

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thankful. Like, and I, I just like, I'm so
tired. I'm

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[laughs] Just like, "Oh, thank you for creating

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might say, right? And I look out the window, and
I

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thank you, like, right after I say that. And I,

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I know how this works, synchronicity, so ha

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looking, the next billboard comes out, and it's
a

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holding a child, and it says, "Thanks for the

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right, now I'm, I'm like, "Oh, this is pretty

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there's another one. It's a customer service

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wondering right before that, like I just said,
am I

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And it's a customer support billboard for

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"What if you wanna talk to a real person?"

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cracked up. And [laughs] the next one

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Speaker 1: was a, [laughs] an Arby's Roast Beef
one, and I laughed pretty good at that.

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front of us, and I'm like, all right, I guess

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Speaker 1: that's it. Um, it says, uh, the
brand, I guess it's a,

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know what it's called. But it's called FUD, is

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those who aren't aware, the acronym means

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the, the, the slogan for the company was,

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Speaker 1: "Welcome to the family." And I'm just
like, all right, this is, this is too good.

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Speaker 1: [laughs] This is great. Um, that was
just fun. So I get

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Spain, uh, like, really old friends

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Speaker 1: of Amanda and the kids, and, like,
they have to go immediately. Even though they

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"We're only in town for a few hours. You wanna

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And she's like, "Okay, yeah." So they leave

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Speaker 1: immediately, gone. [snaps fingers]
And suddenly I have the afternoon to myself. I'm

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just get a smile, just a smile in return, like,

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that or timed it. I don't know. It was

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literally the moment they come in the door,

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Speaker 1: they're like, "Oh, we gotta go." I'm
like, "Who does that?" Like, why didn't she

370
00:23:48.276 --> 00:23:50.476
Speaker 1: just say no? Like, [laughs] I don't
know.

371
00:23:50.996 --> 00:23:51.016
Speaker 3: Hmm.

372
00:23:51.056 --> 00:23:56.816
Speaker 1: So the house is quiet, and they're
gone. I'm like, okay. Um, I'm like, I'm

373
00:23:56.896 --> 00:24:02.616
Speaker 1: nervous, [laughs] as you can imagine.
I'm like, I don't know. Okay, I guess I'll

374
00:24:02.696 --> 00:24:07.276
Speaker 1: go lay down and pretend to take a
nap. It's hard for me to take a nap, so it's
kinda

375
00:24:07.316 --> 00:24:12.996
Speaker 1: like a meditation, so I'll just lay
down. [laughs] And, uh, so I'm gonna read from

376
00:24:13.036 --> 00:24:15.256
Speaker 1: my journal for this part. And, um,

377
00:24:17.316 --> 00:24:21.296
Speaker 1: so she just starts talking. Like, I
lay down, and not long after, I close my eyes.

378
00:24:21.356 --> 00:24:26.892
Speaker 1: I'm not asleep Like that presence
just comes forward again, and it's just like
this

379
00:24:26.952 --> 00:24:29.532
Speaker 1: sense of like love and, um,

380
00:24:29.532 --> 00:24:34.832
Speaker 1: [laughs] and gratitude for me.

381
00:24:35.832 --> 00:24:40.172
Speaker 1: And, uh, she's very excited to talk
to me. This- so we have a conversation for about

382
00:24:40.312 --> 00:24:45.012
Speaker 1: 30 minutes, and it starts the same
way. Like, I can't believe it's happening. Like,

383
00:24:45.512 --> 00:24:48.472
Speaker 1: I've been doing like piecemeal
telepathy up until this point, but I'd been

384
00:24:48.552 --> 00:24:51.892
Speaker 1: struggling, you know, to believe it,
and like I'm trying to piece together a story,

385
00:24:51.972 --> 00:24:57.052
Speaker 1: but this is like crystal clear. It's
not like I don't have visuals or anything like

386
00:24:57.112 --> 00:25:01.692
Speaker 1: I did the night before, but I am not
making anyone talk. These thoughts are getting

387
00:25:01.872 --> 00:25:07.432
Speaker 1: inserted into my head. [laughs] Like,
and I'm just like... I just stop talking,

388
00:25:07.832 --> 00:25:12.112
Speaker 1: like, 'cause I'm like waiting. Like
I'm forcing myself to stop thinking 'cause I

389
00:25:12.152 --> 00:25:16.052
Speaker 1: wanna see if, like, I'm imagining it
or not. I'm trying not to do anything, and the

390
00:25:16.092 --> 00:25:20.232
Speaker 1: thoughts just keep coming. Just a
smile. The same thing, basically. "You gotta
talk

391
00:25:20.272 --> 00:25:25.832
Speaker 1: to me. Yes, it's really me. Hello."
[laughs] Don't... Just a sense of like, "We're

392
00:25:25.892 --> 00:25:30.612
Speaker 1: good. Like, just calm down. Like,
it's fine. Y- this is happening. We can talk. We

393
00:25:30.652 --> 00:25:35.092
Speaker 1: can have a conversation. You don't
need to seize up. Nobody's gonna hurt you.
You're

394
00:25:35.152 --> 00:25:38.732
Speaker 1: all right." I'm like, "Okay. All
right, yeah. [laughs] I'm cool."

395
00:25:38.992 --> 00:25:39.212
Speaker 2: Mm.

396
00:25:39.232 --> 00:25:42.592
Speaker 1: And then she smiles. Again, there's
no visuals. This is all intuitive. It's just the

397
00:25:42.632 --> 00:25:48.332
Speaker 1: feeling of a smile. And she says,
"How about this?" I think basic- y- I'm, like,

398
00:25:49.052 --> 00:25:53.732
Speaker 1: flipping out. I'm, I'm on the verge
of shock. I'm very happy, but I am so tired. She

399
00:25:53.852 --> 00:25:58.512
Speaker 1: says, "How about this? I will give
you five questions. You can ask any five

400
00:25:58.572 --> 00:26:03.412
Speaker 1: questions you want, and I will answer
them." And I'm like, "Whoa." [laughs] And I'm

401
00:26:03.452 --> 00:26:08.592
Speaker 1: like... "Take your time to decide
what they are. There's no rush. I will answer
them

402
00:26:08.672 --> 00:26:12.872
Speaker 1: all, like, completely. Like, don't
worry about it. I'm not going anywhere. Like,

403
00:26:13.432 --> 00:26:16.092
Speaker 1: take your time. Figure out what you
want." So I take a couple minutes. I'm like,

404
00:26:16.192 --> 00:26:19.672
Speaker 1: "Hmm, I gotta hold on. I gotta come
up with them all." And I r- rattle through them,

405
00:26:19.712 --> 00:26:23.132
Speaker 1: but I can't remember them all. She
ends up prompting me with the questions because

406
00:26:23.152 --> 00:26:28.112
Speaker 1: [laughs] I forgot them. Uh, but so I
come up with my five questions. I'm just gonna

407
00:26:28.152 --> 00:26:33.651
Speaker 1: pause right there. Just as a fun
exercise for everybody, uh, listening in,
imagine

408
00:26:33.692 --> 00:26:38.292
Speaker 1: the person who created your soul,
ostensibly clearly knows a whole lot more about

409
00:26:38.332 --> 00:26:43.292
Speaker 1: reality than you do, says, "Hey, you
can ask me any five things you want. Anything.

410
00:26:43.372 --> 00:26:48.552
Speaker 1: Open-ended." What five questions do
you choose? I used to think this was a fun

411
00:26:48.632 --> 00:26:52.412
Speaker 1: exercise of, well, what if you ever
met God? This is not God, by the way. But these

412
00:26:53.032 --> 00:26:55.712
Speaker 1: c- close enough for me, right? This
is the person who created my soul. This is, they

413
00:26:55.772 --> 00:27:01.592
Speaker 1: clearly know a lot, right? So it's,
it is analogous. It's exciting. Like, you never

414
00:27:01.632 --> 00:27:04.332
Speaker 1: think that you're gonna get to talk
to your creator, even if it's a proximal

415
00:27:04.392 --> 00:27:08.952
Speaker 1: creator, like who clearly knows a lot
about what's going on. What, [laughs] what

416
00:27:09.012 --> 00:27:11.932
Speaker 1: questions would you actually ask
them? Because it might not actually be a

417
00:27:11.972 --> 00:27:12.692
Speaker 1: hypothetical.

418
00:27:15.092 --> 00:27:18.512
Speaker 1: Um, but I'll pause right there before
I, I tell you the questions.

419
00:27:19.432 --> 00:27:19.732
Speaker 2: Hmm.

420
00:27:21.732 --> 00:27:23.972
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what I would ask.
I think I would need some time.

421
00:27:24.632 --> 00:27:26.492
Speaker 1: Yeah. [laughs] No pressure, right?

422
00:27:27.012 --> 00:27:27.312
Speaker 2: [laughs]

423
00:27:27.352 --> 00:27:29.092
Speaker 1: Like, oh, no. [laughs]

424
00:27:29.212 --> 00:27:30.092
Speaker 2: It just makes me think that

425
00:27:31.992 --> 00:27:33.652
Speaker 2: my whole reality is framed in this

426
00:27:35.752 --> 00:27:37.492
Speaker 2: society, this language,

427
00:27:39.252 --> 00:27:41.432
Speaker 2: uh, this life. But

428
00:27:43.512 --> 00:27:48.032
Speaker 2: to have a conversation like that with
somebody who is beyond, it's like, how

429
00:27:48.052 --> 00:27:53.352
Speaker 2: [laughs] what would I even want to
know that might be relevant to anything that I

430
00:27:53.392 --> 00:27:57.892
Speaker 2: can grok, you know? [laughs]

431
00:27:57.952 --> 00:28:00.932
Speaker 1: You want the winning lottery numbers?
That'd be so lame. She would've been-

432
00:28:00.952 --> 00:28:01.352
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. [laughs]

433
00:28:01.352 --> 00:28:03.692
Speaker 1: ... so disappointed in me. She
would've been so disappointed in me.

434
00:28:03.732 --> 00:28:05.512
Speaker 2: I didn't even think of that. [laughs]

435
00:28:05.612 --> 00:28:08.472
Speaker 1: I didn't e- I didn't even care.
What's the point?

436
00:28:09.052 --> 00:28:10.272
Speaker 2: I mean, some of them I'm like...

437
00:28:12.772 --> 00:28:14.212
Speaker 2: I mean, I'd be curious about

438
00:28:16.192 --> 00:28:16.972
Speaker 2: why I'm here.

439
00:28:18.152 --> 00:28:18.212
Speaker 1: Mm.

440
00:28:18.232 --> 00:28:23.772
Speaker 2: Why I chose this incarnation. What my
mission is.

441
00:28:25.272 --> 00:28:26.052
Speaker 2: Who my

442
00:28:28.172 --> 00:28:31.912
Speaker 2: relations are, my soul family
relations are in this life.

443
00:28:33.652 --> 00:28:35.512
Speaker 2: But I also feel like

444
00:28:37.552 --> 00:28:43.492
Speaker 2: I am coming into more and more
clarity around those, just in,

445
00:28:45.792 --> 00:28:51.332
Speaker 2: just in being aware of the patterns
of my life and as I've healed and transmuted

446
00:28:51.392 --> 00:28:55.272
Speaker 2: some of the traumas and, uh,

447
00:28:57.072 --> 00:28:57.932
Speaker 2: disentangled

448
00:29:00.592 --> 00:29:03.392
Speaker 2: the thought systems I had been
trapped within.

449
00:29:05.632 --> 00:29:09.212
Speaker 2: So I kinda feel like maybe I don't
want to know the answers 'cause part of the-

450
00:29:09.252 --> 00:29:09.352
Speaker 1: Yeah

451
00:29:09.352 --> 00:29:09.872
Speaker 2: ... this life is-

452
00:29:09.872 --> 00:29:11.652
Speaker 1: This is what went through your head,
and then you said-

453
00:29:11.692 --> 00:29:17.432
Speaker 2: Like the reason I s- the, sorry, the
reason I incarnated was to, like, forget-

454
00:29:17.832 --> 00:29:18.132
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm

455
00:29:18.132 --> 00:29:24.052
Speaker 2: ... and give myself a fun little
puzzle to solve. [laughs] So if somebody

456
00:29:24.112 --> 00:29:28.012
Speaker 2: comes through and solves it for me,
[laughs] what's the point, you know?

457
00:29:28.312 --> 00:29:30.672
Speaker 1: It's not so easy, is it, to come up
with these questions.

458
00:29:30.712 --> 00:29:30.713
Speaker 2: Yeah.

459
00:29:30.712 --> 00:29:32.032
Speaker 1: You're like, "Oh, hold on a second."

460
00:29:32.412 --> 00:29:32.413
Speaker 2: Yeah.

461
00:29:32.412 --> 00:29:35.192
Speaker 1: "I actually don't want some of
these." And some of them you're like, "Yeah, it
would

462
00:29:35.252 --> 00:29:39.172
Speaker 1: actually ruin things," or like,
"Well, I could get that another way," or, "I'm
gonna

463
00:29:39.212 --> 00:29:40.612
Speaker 1: find out eventually anyway," so.

464
00:29:40.832 --> 00:29:43.352
Speaker 2: Hmm. Yeah, so what did you ask?

465
00:29:44.072 --> 00:29:48.312
Speaker 1: So I decide to come up with an array
of questions, and I decide, I run through that

466
00:29:48.832 --> 00:29:54.292
Speaker 1: same calculus, and I figure out,
okay, what really matters to me is generally

467
00:29:54.352 --> 00:29:58.952
Speaker 1: personal stuff, right? That's
[laughs] at the end of the day, it's meaning and
our

468
00:29:58.972 --> 00:30:02.132
Speaker 1: relationships and how we feel about
each other. Like, that's what matters the most

469
00:30:02.172 --> 00:30:07.972
Speaker 1: to me. Um, so I ask, here are the
five questions. One, why did you create

470
00:30:08.012 --> 00:30:13.692
Speaker 1: me? Two, how old am I? Three, can I
meet you?

471
00:30:14.632 --> 00:30:19.252
Speaker 1: Four, what does this symbol mean? And
I sh- send like a visual impression of a

472
00:30:19.312 --> 00:30:20.692
Speaker 1: symbol that I'd been seeing a lot.

473
00:30:21.452 --> 00:30:21.732
Speaker 2: Hmm.

474
00:30:22.192 --> 00:30:27.960
Speaker 1: Like seeing it. Um, and then five,
because I got to five, and I could ask the big

475
00:30:28.020 --> 00:30:33.020
Speaker 1: questions, the same lame-ass
questions everybody asks. Where did the universe
start?

476
00:30:33.120 --> 00:30:37.180
Speaker 1: Blah, blah, blah, who cares? No. I'm
like, "Screw that. I'm not wasting my last

477
00:30:37.220 --> 00:30:42.920
Speaker 1: question on that." What were your
first words to me? It's a fun one. Yeah.

478
00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:45.980
Speaker 1: I thought, "You know what? I'm gonna
throw in a fun one. I'm gonna do a curveball.

479
00:30:46.020 --> 00:30:48.200
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna ask the lame question
everybody asks."

480
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:50.580
Speaker 2: [laughs]

481
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:53.240
Speaker 1: So here's the edited version of the
answers, 'cause we gotta move on here.

482
00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:53.800
Speaker 2: [laughs]

483
00:30:53.820 --> 00:30:55.360
Speaker 1: There's no time for the sappy stuff.

484
00:30:57.040 --> 00:31:00.380
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. This is what it's all
about. This is the entire point of being alive-

485
00:31:00.460 --> 00:31:00.540
Speaker 2: Yeah

486
00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:05.960
Speaker 1: ... and doing any of this. Um, so
here's, um, here's what I was willing to
document,

487
00:31:06.100 --> 00:31:09.400
Speaker 1: even that it's an edited version,
'cause I mean, some of it's personal. [laughs]
It-

488
00:31:09.900 --> 00:31:13.540
Speaker 1: it just is. But I am gonna share it
because it's awesome. So why did you create me?

489
00:31:14.380 --> 00:31:19.840
Speaker 1: One, I asked for a miracle. I asked
for a child, and I got you.

490
00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:23.820
Speaker 1: I got two. So me and my twin sister.

491
00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:29.020
Speaker 1: How old am I? Three. What does that
mean?

492
00:31:29.020 --> 00:31:29.500
Speaker 2: [laughs]

493
00:31:29.580 --> 00:31:31.020
Speaker 1: You tell me. What do you think that
means?

494
00:31:31.080 --> 00:31:31.140
Speaker 2: Uh-

495
00:31:31.260 --> 00:31:33.120
Speaker 1: I never got a clear answer. I could
only guess

496
00:31:33.620 --> 00:31:38.120
Speaker 2: ... three ages of the universe.
[laughs] Three life cycles.

497
00:31:38.660 --> 00:31:41.220
Speaker 1: Cycles of the Milky Way, or like
lives maybe.

498
00:31:41.220 --> 00:31:41.560
Speaker 2: [laughs]

499
00:31:41.600 --> 00:31:42.840
Speaker 1: Like incarnations, maybe.

500
00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:43.080
Speaker 2: It could be.

501
00:31:43.080 --> 00:31:44.800
Speaker 1: Like three lives. Reincarnation.

502
00:31:44.820 --> 00:31:45.080
Speaker 2: Three. Three.

503
00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:46.660
Speaker 1: I don't know. How do you measure
that?

504
00:31:46.660 --> 00:31:47.440
Speaker 2: [laughs]

505
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:51.480
Speaker 1: Three. That was such a straight
answer, too. It was so fast. Like, all of these

506
00:31:51.560 --> 00:31:53.580
Speaker 1: answers are like, bam. You don't have
to guess.

507
00:31:53.620 --> 00:31:54.860
Speaker 2: Well, can I give another impression?

508
00:31:54.860 --> 00:31:55.460
Speaker 1: Like, boom, here's the answer.

509
00:31:57.080 --> 00:31:57.160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

510
00:31:57.180 --> 00:32:02.300
Speaker 2: I like, I like, uh, you know, growing
up, you kind of, I, I feel like, uh,

511
00:32:03.800 --> 00:32:09.680
Speaker 2: uh, I should be further along. I
should be, like, closer to enlightenment. I
should

512
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:13.320
Speaker 2: have more wisdom. I should be more
successful or something like that, or

513
00:32:15.260 --> 00:32:20.160
Speaker 2: more integrated. And, uh, three is
like, uh, you're a child.

514
00:32:20.320 --> 00:32:23.020
Speaker 2: [laughs] You're young.

515
00:32:23.740 --> 00:32:24.180
Speaker 1: Yeah.

516
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:28.620
Speaker 2: And so it kinda gives the pr- like,
takes the pressure off, like, okay. Yeah.

517
00:32:29.260 --> 00:32:30.000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what she said.

518
00:32:30.260 --> 00:32:30.540
Speaker 2: I'm just three.

519
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:31.900
Speaker 1: I am young-ish.

520
00:32:32.080 --> 00:32:32.320
Speaker 2: Mm.

521
00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:37.320
Speaker 1: And in other conversations with
people who usually don't bother to give their
names,

522
00:32:37.380 --> 00:32:42.500
Speaker 1: but clearly know more than I do, just
sort of smile, and I once got the line, "I

523
00:32:42.560 --> 00:32:47.760
Speaker 1: love young souls." I'm like, "What am
I supposed to say?" I can't, I can't, like,

524
00:32:47.900 --> 00:32:51.620
Speaker 1: say anything rude in response 'cause
that only validates what you just told me.

525
00:32:51.620 --> 00:32:54.960
Speaker 1: [laughs] Just, ugh. Whatever.

526
00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:57.000
Speaker 2: [laughs]

527
00:32:57.080 --> 00:33:02.240
Speaker 1: Anyway. All right. So can I meet you?
All right, this one's interesting.

528
00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:08.620
Speaker 1: Um, so she says, "Yes." And then I'm
like, "Okay."

529
00:33:08.660 --> 00:33:10.640
Speaker 1: [laughs] A- and,

530
00:33:12.220 --> 00:33:16.320
Speaker 1: and I say... She says, "Soon." I'm
like, "How soon?" No, that happens later,

531
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:20.020
Speaker 1: actually. So she's like, actually,
she says, "Open your, open your eyes." I'm like,

532
00:33:20.120 --> 00:33:25.600
Speaker 1: "Uh, okay." [laughs] Let me just do
that. I'm looking at my ceiling. You know what I

533
00:33:25.660 --> 00:33:25.820
Speaker 1: see?

534
00:33:27.760 --> 00:33:33.580
Speaker 1: Nothing. I see nothing. And I'm like,
"Oh, my God. I am so dumb." Like,

535
00:33:33.860 --> 00:33:38.760
Speaker 1: what, what are... I, I've totally
lost it now, and I get this immediate sense of

536
00:33:38.800 --> 00:33:44.560
Speaker 1: reprimand. Like, "Listen up. [laughs]
Just because you need to stop doing that. Just

537
00:33:44.600 --> 00:33:49.580
Speaker 1: because one thing didn't work doesn't
mean it was all a lie." Like, it was just an

538
00:33:49.660 --> 00:33:53.540
Speaker 1: immense frustration with me. Like,
this is not the first time I've been through
this

539
00:33:53.620 --> 00:33:54.640
Speaker 1: one. [laughs]

540
00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:54.720
Speaker 2: [laughs]

541
00:33:54.760 --> 00:33:59.920
Speaker 1: It's like, ugh. She says, "It's not
always possible." And I said, "All right. Soon?"

542
00:34:00.040 --> 00:34:04.660
Speaker 1: She's like, "Yes." I say, "How soon?"
"Very soon," [laughs] is the response. I'm

543
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:06.060
Speaker 1: like, "All right, we'll move on.
We'll move on."

544
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:10.020
Speaker 2: How soon? Three. [laughs] How soon?
Four. [laughs]

545
00:34:10.100 --> 00:34:14.680
Speaker 1: Like, all right. I'll let it go. But
I had this huge just, like, dip, and just like,

546
00:34:14.720 --> 00:34:18.380
Speaker 1: "Oh, my God." So you can see the
doubt. Just like one miss, one swing and a miss,

547
00:34:18.420 --> 00:34:19.100
Speaker 1: and it was all fake.

548
00:34:19.820 --> 00:34:19.821
Speaker 2: Mm.

549
00:34:19.860 --> 00:34:24.920
Speaker 1: And like, how frustrating that must
be on the other end. Uh, so the fourth one about

550
00:34:24.980 --> 00:34:28.760
Speaker 1: this symbol, we can skip over that.
Only, the only thing I'll, I'll mention is that

551
00:34:28.820 --> 00:34:31.540
Speaker 1: it has some relation to some higher
self.

552
00:34:32.500 --> 00:34:33.940
Speaker 2: Is this the symbol you showed me?

553
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:36.140
Speaker 1: I don't know.

554
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:38.060
Speaker 2: In another context? The eye-

555
00:34:39.560 --> 00:34:39.620
Speaker 1: No

556
00:34:39.640 --> 00:34:40.500
Speaker 2: ... with the ser- the serpentite

557
00:34:40.539 --> 00:34:43.620
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that one at the end
if we get, if we get to it. [laughs]

558
00:34:43.640 --> 00:34:44.500
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

559
00:34:44.539 --> 00:34:50.360
Speaker 1: We'll see. Um, and then the fifth
one, um, is mostly personal,

560
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:55.620
Speaker 1: uh, but I will mention, which is,
"What were your first words to me?" But she just

561
00:34:55.680 --> 00:35:00.420
Speaker 1: says that they weren't words, but it
was like an exclamation. Was surprised that her

562
00:35:00.460 --> 00:35:05.700
Speaker 1: request and that her prayer for a
child was answered, and that...

563
00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:10.640
Speaker 1: And I got imagery, and I got the
feeling, the feeling of what it was like when we

564
00:35:10.700 --> 00:35:16.620
Speaker 1: showed up, and just, like, extreme
surprise. And I laughed, and I

565
00:35:16.680 --> 00:35:21.020
Speaker 1: cried [laughs] 'cause I was feeling
it. Like, I was feeling what she felt, I guess,

566
00:35:21.060 --> 00:35:25.080
Speaker 1: when I was born. I'm like, I don't
know. Um, I'm like,

567
00:35:26.680 --> 00:35:32.660
Speaker 1: and I just had this sense that
[laughs] you're not the only one who is

568
00:35:32.680 --> 00:35:36.480
Speaker 1: surprised when miracles actually come
true. Like, this is, this is true for us, too.

569
00:35:36.780 --> 00:35:41.760
Speaker 1: Like, you think we know everything.
Like, we know a lot, but we still don't know

570
00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:46.240
Speaker 1: every- not even close, and this one
was truly a mira- it was a complete surprise.

571
00:35:46.640 --> 00:35:52.120
Speaker 1: Didn't expect to actually get a child
[laughs] uh, in this way. And so I just

572
00:35:52.160 --> 00:35:56.940
Speaker 1: thought that was so touching, is
that, oh, this is true for you, too. Like,
[laughs]

573
00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:01.180
Speaker 1: you have moments where you can't
believe this is actually happening. [laughs]

574
00:36:01.180 --> 00:36:01.181
Speaker 2: Mm.

575
00:36:01.220 --> 00:36:05.400
Speaker 1: And you have no idea how it happened.
Um, and I thought that was extremely touching.

576
00:36:09.600 --> 00:36:13.380
Speaker 1: So that's that. Uh, but anyway, we,
she takes her time answering all of it. There

577
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:18.880
Speaker 1: was no, there was no rush. Like, if I
had questions or follow-ups, there wasn't,

578
00:36:18.940 --> 00:36:22.420
Speaker 1: like, a, like, a trick or like, "Oh,
you used your question. That was your third

579
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:26.300
Speaker 1: wish." Like, "Nope." There was no
problem. Like, "Got nothing but time. I'll
answer

580
00:36:26.340 --> 00:36:29.520
Speaker 1: whatever you have." And like, "Do you
understand that? Do you know what I mean? Let

581
00:36:29.560 --> 00:36:34.604
Speaker 1: me show you." And then just sort of,
I'm getting pretty burned out again. It's like,

582
00:36:34.684 --> 00:36:38.964
Speaker 1: okay, you know, bye, I love you. And
that was it. Just fades out. I'm just laying in

583
00:36:39.004 --> 00:36:39.404
Speaker 1: bed again.

584
00:36:41.364 --> 00:36:47.124
Speaker 1: And so after that, um, that night,
either that night or the next night, I can't

585
00:36:47.144 --> 00:36:50.624
Speaker 1: recall, uh, I'm on a walk and I'm
talking to some people from the Mindsight

586
00:36:50.684 --> 00:36:53.884
Speaker 1: training. It's, you know, when I
learned to see without, without eyes, like the,
the

587
00:36:53.924 --> 00:36:56.804
Speaker 1: month or two before, whatever.
[laughs] Let's just gloss over that. I haven't
even

588
00:36:56.844 --> 00:36:57.804
Speaker 1: gotten around to that stuff.

589
00:36:58.404 --> 00:36:58.544
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

590
00:36:58.584 --> 00:37:04.404
Speaker 1: I'm talking to some friends, and I
mention my UFO experiences to them, and, you

591
00:37:04.424 --> 00:37:08.504
Speaker 1: know, they're excited about it, and
I, I talk about them. And, you know, they, they

592
00:37:09.064 --> 00:37:12.444
Speaker 1: changed another topic, and it's
nighttime, and I look, and I see,

593
00:37:14.824 --> 00:37:19.844
Speaker 1: uh, I see a light on a neighbor's
porch, and I'm looking at it, and I have the

594
00:37:19.904 --> 00:37:24.304
Speaker 1: thought, "Huh, that looks like a
person made of light. I wonder if I'll ever see

595
00:37:24.364 --> 00:37:29.584
Speaker 1: someone like that." [laughs] What
a... And then I just start laughing. I'm like,

596
00:37:29.704 --> 00:37:33.324
Speaker 1: "What the hell?" Like, those aren't
thoughts that I think. Like, come on. [laughs]

597
00:37:33.384 --> 00:37:37.364
Speaker 1: You need to be a little more subtle
than that. Like, that was definitely not my

598
00:37:37.404 --> 00:37:41.504
Speaker 1: thought. But it sounds exactly like
your thought. There's no distinguishing factor

599
00:37:41.544 --> 00:37:45.864
Speaker 1: other than the fact that it's like,
this was clearly an inception. You guys have

600
00:37:45.904 --> 00:37:51.564
Speaker 1: seen the movie Inception. That was
what that was. [laughs] It's like, ah, I didn't

601
00:37:51.584 --> 00:37:55.984
Speaker 1: think that. Well, I- it happened to
me, and I just laugh. I'm like, what a weird

602
00:37:56.024 --> 00:38:01.084
Speaker 1: thing to think. And I turn the
corner, and I look up, and in the sky, I see a
bright

603
00:38:01.124 --> 00:38:06.484
Speaker 1: white ball of light. It's maybe a
quarter of a mile up, less than that,

604
00:38:07.384 --> 00:38:10.764
Speaker 1: and it's just sitting there, and it's
floating slightly towards me. And I get this

605
00:38:10.844 --> 00:38:15.784
Speaker 1: immediate sense of, like, smugness.
Like, sort of loving smugness and just, see?

606
00:38:16.484 --> 00:38:21.884
Speaker 1: It's the same per- it's the same
feeling as with Soul Mother from the day before
or

607
00:38:21.924 --> 00:38:26.324
Speaker 1: that morning. Same sort of feeling of
who it is and just, just a smugness like,

608
00:38:26.384 --> 00:38:32.184
Speaker 1: "See? I told you. I told you you
would see me." [laughs] And then it fades out,

609
00:38:32.444 --> 00:38:37.464
Speaker 1: just straight to black. No sound, no
running lights, just a white ball of light. And

610
00:38:37.504 --> 00:38:41.084
Speaker 1: it's, [laughs] I don't know, a couple
feet across, but it's pretty high up. Like,

611
00:38:41.324 --> 00:38:45.844
Speaker 1: then it's gone. I'm like, and I'm
like, oh my God. I'm on the phone with these

612
00:38:45.904 --> 00:38:51.604
Speaker 1: people, so like, [laughs] I'm trying
not to freak out. And I'm like, wow. And I'm

613
00:38:51.664 --> 00:38:52.024
Speaker 1: just like,

614
00:38:54.504 --> 00:38:58.924
Speaker 1: thank you. Like, I really needed to
see that. Thank you. I really... You wouldn't

615
00:38:58.964 --> 00:39:03.644
Speaker 1: think it, and it's not good to need
physical evidence. This is something we're gonna

616
00:39:03.664 --> 00:39:07.644
Speaker 1: return to over and over again. It's
not good to rely on needing physical evidence,

617
00:39:07.684 --> 00:39:11.624
Speaker 1: and you have to learn to trust your
inner senses. That's a-- Because it's, those are

618
00:39:11.704 --> 00:39:17.344
Speaker 1: true. But this was really a gift. I
needed this validation of like, oh,

619
00:39:17.604 --> 00:39:22.464
Speaker 1: something in the physical world.
[laughs] You w- more than just synchronicities.
I

620
00:39:22.524 --> 00:39:28.124
Speaker 1: needed to see something, someone, I
suppose. Um, and like, I needed to see that it

621
00:39:28.164 --> 00:39:33.504
Speaker 1: was true. Just some part of the human
brain needs to connect those dots, and so

622
00:39:33.924 --> 00:39:34.544
Speaker 1: that's what happened.

623
00:39:38.364 --> 00:39:38.584
Speaker 2: Hmm.

624
00:39:41.244 --> 00:39:42.684
Speaker 2: I'm in awe of these experiences.

625
00:39:42.704 --> 00:39:43.044
Speaker 1: [laughs]

626
00:39:43.104 --> 00:39:45.064
Speaker 2: A little, little jealous. [laughs]

627
00:39:45.184 --> 00:39:46.924
Speaker 1: Uh, well, you can have your own
version of it.

628
00:39:47.064 --> 00:39:47.065
Speaker 2: Yeah.

629
00:39:47.104 --> 00:39:52.464
Speaker 1: But these are peak moments. So let's
not rest on our laurels too long here, because

630
00:39:52.524 --> 00:39:57.504
Speaker 1: the next week is very, very much the
opposite. I have to go back to work now.

631
00:39:58.004 --> 00:40:01.704
Speaker 2: Well, hold on, hold on. I just wanna,
I just wanna sit with this for a moment.

632
00:40:01.924 --> 00:40:02.464
Speaker 1: Yeah, sit with it.

633
00:40:02.644 --> 00:40:02.824
Speaker 2: 'Cause-

634
00:40:03.164 --> 00:40:04.944
Speaker 1: Because I'm about to shatter your-

635
00:40:05.184 --> 00:40:05.224
Speaker 2: Yeah

636
00:40:05.244 --> 00:40:09.984
Speaker 1: ... your happiness and your warm
feelings. [laughs] 'Cause that's what happened
to

637
00:40:10.024 --> 00:40:13.984
Speaker 1: me. Feel free to ask any questions
before we depart this wonderful place.

638
00:40:15.484 --> 00:40:17.384
Speaker 2: Well, I just was reflecting that

639
00:40:19.104 --> 00:40:23.424
Speaker 2: what you just shared is really
profound, that we don't need to, we shouldn't
need to

640
00:40:25.304 --> 00:40:28.304
Speaker 2: rely upon physical evidence.

641
00:40:30.104 --> 00:40:34.704
Speaker 2: That is completely contradictory to
anything I'd ever been

642
00:40:36.084 --> 00:40:38.224
Speaker 2: taught to believe about how

643
00:40:40.664 --> 00:40:46.544
Speaker 2: we make sense of reality and how we
find truth according to

644
00:40:48.004 --> 00:40:51.464
Speaker 2: a materialist paradigm, uh, sci-
scientific method.

645
00:40:54.764 --> 00:40:55.124
Speaker 2: So

646
00:40:58.104 --> 00:41:02.224
Speaker 2: there's a lot of unlearning that
needs to happen that I, I need to experience
more

647
00:41:02.284 --> 00:41:08.244
Speaker 2: of. Coming to trust more and more of
these experiences. Speaking with you

648
00:41:08.324 --> 00:41:11.404
Speaker 2: validates them, hearing about your
experiences.

649
00:41:12.924 --> 00:41:13.164
Speaker 2: Uh,

650
00:41:15.504 --> 00:41:21.364
Speaker 2: and I think circling back to the
topic of this conversation, what

651
00:41:21.444 --> 00:41:22.024
Speaker 2: is real,

652
00:41:23.844 --> 00:41:28.904
Speaker 2: is really interesting to, to view
from that lens. You know, as I was sharing about

653
00:41:28.944 --> 00:41:29.884
Speaker 2: my experiences,

654
00:41:32.004 --> 00:41:32.304
Speaker 2: um,

655
00:41:34.844 --> 00:41:40.504
Speaker 2: some people say that psychedelic
experiences take you to a place that are, that
is

656
00:41:40.584 --> 00:41:41.604
Speaker 2: more real than real.

657
00:41:44.344 --> 00:41:48.784
Speaker 2: And, uh, I've experienced that many
times. It's hard to communicate because the

658
00:41:48.824 --> 00:41:54.764
Speaker 2: psychedelic experience is framed in
our culture as hallucination, you know,

659
00:41:55.024 --> 00:41:56.104
Speaker 2: which is not real.

660
00:41:58.344 --> 00:42:03.524
Speaker 2: But the lived experience, I think, in
the right, in a, you know, in a set and

661
00:42:03.604 --> 00:42:05.944
Speaker 2: setting, in a context that supports,

662
00:42:07.464 --> 00:42:12.404
Speaker 2: uh, inner exploration and is safe.
You know, a lot of people take psychedelics at a

663
00:42:12.444 --> 00:42:17.864
Speaker 2: rave or, you know, at a music
festival. That's a very different experience
from, you

664
00:42:17.904 --> 00:42:22.724
Speaker 2: know, creating a safe container,
having a guide or, you know, even guiding
yourself,

665
00:42:22.824 --> 00:42:28.564
Speaker 2: but bringing intention to go inward
and explore inward. My perception is that opens

666
00:42:28.664 --> 00:42:34.624
Speaker 2: up into the true nature of reality
when you can really make proper preparation and,

667
00:42:34.724 --> 00:42:34.824
Speaker 2: uh-

668
00:42:36.776 --> 00:42:42.396
Speaker 2: There's this whole interior expanse
that opened up in my own experience that I was

669
00:42:42.436 --> 00:42:47.976
Speaker 2: completely oblivious to from the
perception of mundane consciousness, waking

670
00:42:48.036 --> 00:42:53.916
Speaker 2: consciousness that we, uh, use to
navigate roads and streets

671
00:42:53.956 --> 00:42:56.636
Speaker 2: and strangers and business and
shopping.

672
00:42:59.656 --> 00:43:02.856
Speaker 2: And, uh, yeah, it's just many of
those experiences and the ones I talked about at

673
00:43:02.876 --> 00:43:08.696
Speaker 2: the beginning of this episode, from a
lived experience in my

674
00:43:08.755 --> 00:43:13.516
Speaker 2: body, they feel a lot more alive.
Like,

675
00:43:15.136 --> 00:43:18.196
Speaker 2: imagine all the cells of your body
lighting up

676
00:43:19.776 --> 00:43:20.076
Speaker 2: or,

677
00:43:22.896 --> 00:43:28.756
Speaker 2: yeah, perceiving with sight you
didn't know you had, and then

678
00:43:28.796 --> 00:43:32.636
Speaker 2: coming back in- to this reality and
being like, "Wait, I'm blind."

679
00:43:32.676 --> 00:43:37.836
Speaker 2: [laughs] So that's, that's where my
mind goes in, in your,

680
00:43:38.716 --> 00:43:42.556
Speaker 2: in these reflections and... But also
how cool it is, like, I think, you know, I'm-

681
00:43:43.436 --> 00:43:48.176
Speaker 2: I've stopped using psychedelics for a
couple months now and r- have really been

682
00:43:48.236 --> 00:43:53.496
Speaker 2: doing a lot more meditation and
creating more int- intention around, um,
cultivating

683
00:43:53.536 --> 00:43:59.156
Speaker 2: my inner sense and, um, having these
kinds of experiences in a sober state

684
00:44:00.576 --> 00:44:04.056
Speaker 2: because I want to know that they're
really real, you know?

685
00:44:04.096 --> 00:44:04.276
Speaker 1: It's different.

686
00:44:04.336 --> 00:44:10.016
Speaker 2: I w- And, and I want to integrate
that, uh, greater reality, as you called it,

687
00:44:10.676 --> 00:44:11.996
Speaker 2: into my lived reality.

688
00:44:15.016 --> 00:44:19.576
Speaker 2: So a little ball of light feels like
a good, a good little, like, wink. [laughs]

689
00:44:19.656 --> 00:44:20.936
Speaker 1: I needed it, right?

690
00:44:20.956 --> 00:44:20.976
Speaker 2: Yeah.

691
00:44:21.016 --> 00:44:25.896
Speaker 1: It was... I mean, this, people would
call this a white light orb UFO.

692
00:44:26.696 --> 00:44:26.697
Speaker 2: Mm.

693
00:44:26.796 --> 00:44:32.396
Speaker 1: I would call this a soul [laughs]
manifested physically, right? I would now.

694
00:44:32.876 --> 00:44:35.656
Speaker 1: I didn't know that before, but she
was talking to me, so, like, it was pretty

695
00:44:35.736 --> 00:44:40.216
Speaker 1: obvious that that's what that was.
Um, it was big. It wasn't like a little, tiny

696
00:44:40.256 --> 00:44:45.336
Speaker 1: ghost orb. Like, this was, ooh, this
is luminous. [laughs] This thing's bright. Um,

697
00:44:46.575 --> 00:44:51.096
Speaker 1: and it came from, as you mentioned,
like, following something that was definitely

698
00:44:51.136 --> 00:44:56.836
Speaker 1: not physical, a feeling, a thought,
and I followed these breadcrumbs to the point

699
00:44:56.876 --> 00:45:01.196
Speaker 1: where eventually I got profound
experiences, which you're starting to have, but

700
00:45:01.236 --> 00:45:05.636
Speaker 1: those are still felt, right? Those
are subjective. Like, they, they're just an

701
00:45:05.676 --> 00:45:06.856
Speaker 1: experience, air quotes.

702
00:45:08.716 --> 00:45:14.556
Speaker 1: You will eventually always get
validation, even physical world validation, and
you

703
00:45:14.596 --> 00:45:18.576
Speaker 1: should expect it, but you're gonna
have to be very patient, and you're gonna have
to

704
00:45:18.676 --> 00:45:23.376
Speaker 1: sit with what everyone else will
think is a stupid idea long enough to see that
it

705
00:45:23.416 --> 00:45:23.916
Speaker 1: is true.

706
00:45:23.936 --> 00:45:24.216
Speaker 2: [laughs]

707
00:45:24.256 --> 00:45:29.056
Speaker 1: So this is m- middle road where you
take it seriously and you follow it, knowing

708
00:45:29.096 --> 00:45:31.876
Speaker 1: that you have to hold it lightly
because many of these things won't pan out, or

709
00:45:31.896 --> 00:45:35.696
Speaker 1: you'll be wrong in a way that, like,
teaches you something about yourself. I was

710
00:45:35.736 --> 00:45:39.096
Speaker 1: just looking at myself, and that's
okay. [laughs] You're, as you now know, you're

711
00:45:39.156 --> 00:45:45.036
Speaker 1: always looking at yourself. Um, and
so there's this push-pull patience. Like,

712
00:45:45.116 --> 00:45:48.376
Speaker 1: okay, I opened my eyes and I saw
nothing. Like, when I was laying in bed, I'm
like,

713
00:45:48.416 --> 00:45:53.396
Speaker 1: "Oh, pfft, it's all fake." [laughs]
You can't rubber band this hard or you'll kill

714
00:45:53.436 --> 00:45:57.416
Speaker 1: it. You'll crush it. You also can't
become so obsessive that, like, you become

715
00:45:57.456 --> 00:46:00.836
Speaker 1: delusional because now you're
detached from an actual signal, right? You're
just

716
00:46:00.876 --> 00:46:04.576
Speaker 1: pumping your own signal at yourself.
You're living your own delusion now. You're not

717
00:46:04.676 --> 00:46:08.856
Speaker 1: actually communicating with anyone or
anything. [laughs] So you should expect

718
00:46:08.916 --> 00:46:13.496
Speaker 1: accountability and eventual
validation, but you're gonna have to be way more
patient

719
00:46:13.556 --> 00:46:17.936
Speaker 1: than you ever wanted to be for the
good stuff. Like, not for the cool experiences.

720
00:46:18.076 --> 00:46:23.396
Speaker 1: Those can start happening, but for
physical world validation, it takes way longer

721
00:46:23.536 --> 00:46:29.116
Speaker 1: than you want it to. [laughs] Um, but
it does eventually happen because it's true.

722
00:46:29.916 --> 00:46:33.796
Speaker 1: It's the same principles. It's the
same place. There's no difference. The spiritual

723
00:46:33.876 --> 00:46:35.896
Speaker 1: world or whatever is not separate.

724
00:46:39.896 --> 00:46:40.056
Speaker 2: Hmm.

725
00:46:41.876 --> 00:46:47.096
Speaker 2: So what came to mind is your practice
of spinning the psi wheel and-

726
00:46:47.116 --> 00:46:47.516
Speaker 1: Oh, damn

727
00:46:47.816 --> 00:46:48.636
Speaker 2: ... a psi wheel

728
00:46:50.616 --> 00:46:51.916
Speaker 2: is a little, um...

729
00:46:54.055 --> 00:46:54.956
Speaker 2: I'll show you mine right here.

730
00:46:56.096 --> 00:46:56.296
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

731
00:46:57.555 --> 00:47:01.636
Speaker 2: It's a sponge, and there's a needle,
and there's a little bit of, uh, aluminum foil

732
00:47:01.696 --> 00:47:02.096
Speaker 2: on top.

733
00:47:02.456 --> 00:47:03.036
Speaker 1: It's like a little tent.

734
00:47:03.076 --> 00:47:03.336
Speaker 2: And-

735
00:47:03.356 --> 00:47:04.076
Speaker 1: Hold it over the top.

736
00:47:04.256 --> 00:47:04.356
Speaker 2: Yeah.

737
00:47:04.376 --> 00:47:05.676
Speaker 1: It spins on it 'cause there's low
friction.

738
00:47:06.436 --> 00:47:11.036
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. You've shared with me about
your practice of learning to spin this thing and

739
00:47:11.056 --> 00:47:16.596
Speaker 2: have shared videos of you
accomplishing this. Uh, I'm still on the fence
whether

740
00:47:16.636 --> 00:47:18.216
Speaker 2: those are AI generated or-

741
00:47:18.396 --> 00:47:19.316
Speaker 1: Oh, come on.

742
00:47:19.336 --> 00:47:23.396
Speaker 2: [laughs] No, I'm just kidding. I
believe you. I believe you. [laughs] Um, but you

743
00:47:23.456 --> 00:47:27.276
Speaker 2: said that, you know, you had to sit
for 30 hours

744
00:47:28.996 --> 00:47:34.096
Speaker 2: just staring at this thing, hoping
and believing that it's possible before you
could

745
00:47:34.156 --> 00:47:39.896
Speaker 2: even get it to spin a little bit. And
how, like, how long, how

746
00:47:40.596 --> 00:47:44.376
Speaker 2: challenging that must be, and I've
done a little bit of that just beginning to step

747
00:47:44.436 --> 00:47:46.456
Speaker 2: into that, um, practice.

748
00:47:48.436 --> 00:47:51.656
Speaker 2: The thought is just like, "This is
stupid. Is this possible?" [laughs] It's like,
as

749
00:47:51.716 --> 00:47:57.696
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there, it's like, you
know, I don't know what's really, like, uh, at

750
00:47:57.736 --> 00:48:00.916
Speaker 2: what point will it sh- shift, but I
feel like that's the thought that comes up. So

751
00:48:00.956 --> 00:48:03.796
Speaker 2: you're like, every time you're s-
coming to this practice, and any of these

752
00:48:03.836 --> 00:48:08.356
Speaker 2: practices, I love that phrase you
mentioned again just now, and I think you

753
00:48:08.376 --> 00:48:14.176
Speaker 2: mentioned it last episode. You have
to be willing to sit, believe something stupid

754
00:48:14.236 --> 00:48:16.116
Speaker 2: for long enough that it becomes true.

755
00:48:16.596 --> 00:48:22.316
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. That's exactly how it works.
Yeah, so I had had the

756
00:48:22.356 --> 00:48:26.496
Speaker 1: benefit of other forms of physical
validation. So at this point, I can see without

757
00:48:26.536 --> 00:48:32.196
Speaker 1: my eyeballs. I can close my eyes. I
can see. Um, I was able to see out of the back

758
00:48:32.236 --> 00:48:35.656
Speaker 1: of my head for a little while. I
stopped training that skill because it's really

759
00:48:35.696 --> 00:48:40.840
Speaker 1: disorienting to- Um, now that proves
it to me, right? I mean, I can prove it to

760
00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:43.940
Speaker 1: other people. If you were to put me
in front of an optometrist or whatever, we could

761
00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:47.220
Speaker 1: set it up so that they would know for
sure that, yeah, his eyelids are closed. He

762
00:48:47.260 --> 00:48:51.020
Speaker 1: can't see this. Like, I haven't
bothered to engineer that test because I don't
care.

763
00:48:51.300 --> 00:48:55.020
Speaker 1: I'm not doing this to prove it to
anyone else. I'm doing it for me, right? I know,

764
00:48:55.240 --> 00:49:00.120
Speaker 1: and that's enough. I saw through the
mask. It's good enough for me. Um, but I'd also

765
00:49:00.160 --> 00:49:04.360
Speaker 1: been doing telekinesis practice, so
the ability to move things, in this case, a very

766
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:09.559
Speaker 1: light thing, without touching it. Uh,
at that time, I would've said I was using my

767
00:49:09.620 --> 00:49:14.340
Speaker 1: mind to move it, but now, given the
ex- the knowledge in Reality 101, I'm moving

768
00:49:14.380 --> 00:49:19.340
Speaker 1: myself, right? That's how psi works.
That's how psychic powers work, is [chuckles]

769
00:49:19.460 --> 00:49:22.300
Speaker 1: oh, wow, I can see with that eye.
That's so amazing. You're just looking at

770
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:23.800
Speaker 1: yourself. Of course you can.

771
00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:24.580
Speaker 2: [chuckles]

772
00:49:24.660 --> 00:49:28.200
Speaker 1: Uh, how you can move stuff with your
mind, uh, sort of. You can move yourself. Like

773
00:49:28.240 --> 00:49:29.080
Speaker 1: [chuckles] duh.

774
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:30.020
Speaker 2: Mm.

775
00:49:30.120 --> 00:49:34.240
Speaker 1: Um, but there are rules in there of
physics, and there's resistance. A lot of it is

776
00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:38.940
Speaker 1: mental, but not all. So I didn't know
anyone that knew telekinesis. Like, this is

777
00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:44.720
Speaker 1: not my world. I am coming from
software development. Like, I'm coming from... I
was

778
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:50.660
Speaker 1: an atheist. Like, uh, this is so far
outside my understanding, but I'm obsessively

779
00:49:50.680 --> 00:49:55.560
Speaker 1: exploring everything. I read a book
on telekinesis by Sean McNamara called The

780
00:49:55.620 --> 00:50:00.640
Speaker 1: Telekinesis Practice Method. I just
happened to see it on Amazon. I don't even know

781
00:50:00.680 --> 00:50:04.980
Speaker 1: what led me to it. I'm like, "I'm
gonna buy that." Why? I don't know. [chuckles] I

782
00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:08.920
Speaker 1: don't know why. I would've thought
that was stupid, but I did it and I read it. I

783
00:50:08.940 --> 00:50:13.060
Speaker 1: didn't know anyone who knew how to do
this. So I read the book, and I set up this

784
00:50:13.140 --> 00:50:19.060
Speaker 1: eye wheel, and I practiced for over
the course of three to six months, at

785
00:50:19.120 --> 00:50:22.720
Speaker 1: least 30 hours total time staring at
this thing. It becomes like one of my regular

786
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:27.220
Speaker 1: meditations, 30 minutes or so at a
time, m- up to an hour sometimes, depending how

787
00:50:27.260 --> 00:50:31.740
Speaker 1: obsessive I am, just staring at this
stupid piece of aluminum foil. Move. I try

788
00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:37.680
Speaker 1: everything. Everything. Everything
you can imagine, and I still-- It doesn't move,

789
00:50:38.520 --> 00:50:43.860
Speaker 1: and it's so infuriating. Like, at
this point, you know, I don't have any
mindsight.

790
00:50:44.720 --> 00:50:49.680
Speaker 1: Um, I don't even think I was doing
much telepathy or anything then. I just, I th- I

791
00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:54.520
Speaker 1: had this sense that I could, that it
should be possible. I'd already seen UFOs. I'm

792
00:50:54.560 --> 00:50:58.000
Speaker 1: like, "Man, if that's possible, this
has gotta be..." I don't wanna give up.

793
00:50:58.000 --> 00:50:59.000
Speaker 2: [chuckles]

794
00:50:59.080 --> 00:51:03.780
Speaker 1: And then one day, I'm staring at this
piece of aluminum foil, and I just have this

795
00:51:03.860 --> 00:51:08.920
Speaker 1: feeling like it's gonna move. I just,
I know it is. I can feel that it is. It's

796
00:51:08.980 --> 00:51:14.640
Speaker 1: going to. And then it, it wiggles,
and then it starts to turn, and I just start

797
00:51:14.680 --> 00:51:16.260
Speaker 1: crying. I'm like openly crying.

798
00:51:16.380 --> 00:51:16.381
Speaker 2: Mm.

799
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:20.040
Speaker 1: It's like, "I did it." [chuckles]
Like I said, without touching it. I'm like three

800
00:51:20.080 --> 00:51:24.940
Speaker 1: feet away from this thing. It's in a
shoebox, basically, in a recessed cubby in my

801
00:51:24.980 --> 00:51:29.660
Speaker 1: walk-in closet, uh, where there's no
airflow. So this, I know when this thing moves

802
00:51:29.680 --> 00:51:33.620
Speaker 1: and doesn't move. It wasn't
vibration. It was nothing. Like, I've been
staring at

803
00:51:33.640 --> 00:51:36.900
Speaker 1: this thing for 30 hours of my life. I
know what makes it move and doesn't make it

804
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:42.820
Speaker 1: move, intimately. [chuckles] And it
spins, and I start to cry because it, it's real.

805
00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:48.000
Speaker 1: Like, this isn't, my experiences
aren't things that are just happening to me now
at

806
00:51:48.060 --> 00:51:52.400
Speaker 1: that point. And it's like, I can do
it. Like I needed to see something physical

807
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:57.520
Speaker 1: move. Um, and since then, as you well
know, I've done maybe close to 100 hours of

808
00:51:57.560 --> 00:52:01.940
Speaker 1: practice in telekinesis now, and I, I
can make it move under glass, which doesn't

809
00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:07.200
Speaker 1: sound that fancy, under a big like
bell glass jar. So this thing is isolated. That

810
00:52:07.220 --> 00:52:10.920
Speaker 1: doesn't sound hard, but it's at least
10 times harder. Uh, and I can do it from a

811
00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:15.500
Speaker 1: distance as well. I don't even have
to touch it now. It's hard, uh, but I can do it

812
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:18.820
Speaker 1: maybe one in two sessions, one in
three sessions. I can do it without touching it

813
00:52:18.860 --> 00:52:23.980
Speaker 1: from a few feet away under a bell
jar. I can get it to spin now, and, um, that's

814
00:52:24.040 --> 00:52:29.660
Speaker 1: practice, so anyone can do it. But I
needed to see physical validation. I, it's hard

815
00:52:29.680 --> 00:52:34.080
Speaker 1: to understa- like how much it
matters, I think especially to the human brain.
You

816
00:52:34.140 --> 00:52:37.760
Speaker 1: just nee- you need to see something
in your physical environment 'cause it's what we

817
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:43.140
Speaker 1: understand. It's what we're used to.
Um, and that, that changed me for sure.

818
00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:50.620
Speaker 2: Wow. I can only get mine to move when
the window's open and there's a breeze coming

819
00:52:50.640 --> 00:52:50.720
Speaker 2: through.

820
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:53.060
Speaker 1: [chuckles] You'll get it. You'll get
it.

821
00:52:53.060 --> 00:52:53.519
Speaker 2: [chuckles]

822
00:52:53.680 --> 00:52:54.840
Speaker 1: Um, start with your hands.

823
00:52:54.899 --> 00:52:58.940
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm like, "Oh, it moved,"
and like I realized, oh, I'm breathing too hard,

824
00:52:59.040 --> 00:53:03.200
Speaker 2: or like, oh, the window's open.
[chuckles]

825
00:53:03.240 --> 00:53:03.700
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like that.

826
00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:04.660
Speaker 2: Uh, what,

827
00:53:06.520 --> 00:53:09.360
Speaker 2: what's the point of cultivating these
psi capacities?

828
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:15.340
Speaker 1: [chuckles] It is-- So this

829
00:53:15.420 --> 00:53:20.340
Speaker 1: is my personal theory, right? Uh, and
I think we'll talk about this when we get into

830
00:53:20.380 --> 00:53:23.060
Speaker 1: mindsight. This is like a whole part
of the story arc [chuckles] that's just been

831
00:53:23.100 --> 00:53:29.100
Speaker 1: totally ignored. It was so profound.
Uh, but I've noticed this. It is every

832
00:53:29.140 --> 00:53:32.840
Speaker 1: time you have a big breakthrough in
some psychic ability. So at this point, I'd done

833
00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:37.700
Speaker 1: remote viewing practice. I'd done
telekinesis, and this was before mindsight. I
was

834
00:53:37.740 --> 00:53:42.080
Speaker 1: doing other stuff, right? Uh, anytime
you get a big breakthrough, like whoa, that

835
00:53:42.120 --> 00:53:47.020
Speaker 1: just worked, there's like this surge
of energy, and I mentioned it to Kate, our

836
00:53:47.060 --> 00:53:52.140
Speaker 1: mutual friend, before. It's a lot
like, um, Stormlight Ar- Stormlight Archives
when,

837
00:53:52.220 --> 00:53:55.900
Speaker 1: uh, somebody says like the words of
power and they like ascend to like the next

838
00:53:55.940 --> 00:54:00.780
Speaker 1: level of like their, uh, Knight
Radiant abilities. There's this outburst of
power,

839
00:54:00.820 --> 00:54:02.840
Speaker 1: like fusion, like atoms or like
fission-

840
00:54:03.080 --> 00:54:03.081
Speaker 2: Mm

841
00:54:03.080 --> 00:54:08.640
Speaker 1: ... being split for the first time,
and it blows you wide open. And experiences,

842
00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:13.680
Speaker 1: like without fail, that night, the
first time I did it with glass, the first time I

843
00:54:13.740 --> 00:54:18.320
Speaker 1: did it ever, big experiences right
afterward. Opening my mindsight for the first

844
00:54:18.360 --> 00:54:24.260
Speaker 1: time, woof, wild experiences. At
night, even waking state, in meditation, just
all

845
00:54:24.320 --> 00:54:28.360
Speaker 1: sorts of incredibly vivid things,
profound feelings and information. It's like it

846
00:54:28.420 --> 00:54:34.020
Speaker 1: just blows open the aperture. Um, so
that is one reason, is that developing psychic

847
00:54:34.060 --> 00:54:39.540
Speaker 1: capacities definitely has a
functional connectivity between you and

848
00:54:40.120 --> 00:54:45.144
Speaker 1: the other side or whatever,
non-material- ... reality. It blows open those
doors.

849
00:54:46.044 --> 00:54:49.924
Speaker 1: Now, that effect is short-lived. You
get a huge burst, right? But there is, like,

850
00:54:50.324 --> 00:54:54.364
Speaker 1: once it comes back, your baseline's
higher. Like, you're more sensitive now. It's

851
00:54:54.444 --> 00:54:59.224
Speaker 1: opening you up. But that's only one
of the things it does. I think it also trains

852
00:54:59.264 --> 00:55:04.784
Speaker 1: your belief. If I ever needed to know
that reality is, like, fundamentally not just

853
00:55:04.804 --> 00:55:10.144
Speaker 1: physical, [laughs] I just do this.
Like, uh, yeah, okay. Yeah, that's my hand.

854
00:55:10.404 --> 00:55:15.524
Speaker 1: [laughs] I have my eyes closed.
[laughs] I can see it. Um, yeah, okay. Like,
what

855
00:55:15.584 --> 00:55:21.024
Speaker 1: it... All of this stems from belief,
imagination, intent. Uh, like, that's where it

856
00:55:21.064 --> 00:55:24.864
Speaker 1: all comes from. Like, that is what
opens the aperture to sensitivity, to making

857
00:55:24.904 --> 00:55:29.804
Speaker 1: these things happen, is that you
believe it can, and you believe it's possible
for

858
00:55:29.864 --> 00:55:33.224
Speaker 1: you, and you want it. Like, all of
these, you're feeding this like a little

859
00:55:33.284 --> 00:55:38.704
Speaker 1: Tamagotchi. And like, if you just
keep feeding it, it slowly opens up, like, these

860
00:55:38.804 --> 00:55:42.624
Speaker 1: apertures to be more sensitive to
these things and to let it, like, come into your

861
00:55:42.684 --> 00:55:47.944
Speaker 1: world. That's what you're doing. And
so I think psychic powers, seeing them happen,

862
00:55:48.144 --> 00:55:52.504
Speaker 1: believing you can do it, actually
doing it, and going, "Holy shit, you can move

863
00:55:52.544 --> 00:55:56.504
Speaker 1: things without touching them."
[laughs] Like, I can see without eyes. Like, I
can

864
00:55:56.584 --> 00:56:01.504
Speaker 1: learn things about the world that I'm
not physically present for. Once you do that,

865
00:56:01.724 --> 00:56:05.744
Speaker 1: it changes you. It changes what you
expect, and what you expect changes what you

866
00:56:05.784 --> 00:56:10.824
Speaker 1: believe next, and that, like, creates
this stairstep. Um, so I think it's an

867
00:56:10.884 --> 00:56:11.664
Speaker 1: integral part-

868
00:56:12.804 --> 00:56:12.864
Speaker 2: Mm

869
00:56:12.864 --> 00:56:15.124
Speaker 1: ... of advancing spiritual
development.

870
00:56:15.144 --> 00:56:15.524
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

871
00:56:15.564 --> 00:56:19.444
Speaker 1: And personal development, of course,
is key as well, but I think that this really,

872
00:56:20.464 --> 00:56:25.804
Speaker 1: it also acts as, like, a multivitamin
against cultural pressure and

873
00:56:26.124 --> 00:56:30.464
Speaker 1: familial pressure of friends who are
constantly cooking you. They're, like, uh,

874
00:56:30.584 --> 00:56:31.844
Speaker 1: pasteurizing your beliefs.

875
00:56:32.684 --> 00:56:32.704
Speaker 2: Mm.

876
00:56:32.724 --> 00:56:37.444
Speaker 1: This is impossible. This is
impossible. You wanna see a piece of tinfoil
stop

877
00:56:37.524 --> 00:56:41.084
Speaker 1: spinning or to stop seeing without
your eyeballs, you just get somebody in the room

878
00:56:41.144 --> 00:56:43.224
Speaker 1: who thinks that you're crazy, or
they're judging.

879
00:56:43.704 --> 00:56:43.705
Speaker 2: Mm.

880
00:56:43.724 --> 00:56:47.464
Speaker 1: They think you're dumb. Turns out
like a light. This stuff just stops immediately,

881
00:56:48.024 --> 00:56:52.944
Speaker 1: until you develop a sense of, like,
inner confidence. I can see with Mindsight now

882
00:56:53.023 --> 00:56:55.344
Speaker 1: if, even if somebody's screaming in
my face that I'm-

883
00:56:55.344 --> 00:56:55.345
Speaker 2: Mm

884
00:56:55.344 --> 00:56:59.984
Speaker 1: ... an idiot and that it doesn't
work. But for the first few months, absolutely
not.

885
00:57:00.064 --> 00:57:05.364
Speaker 1: Even my own doubt, you can see it in
real time. It's hilarious. Like you're, "Wait,

886
00:57:05.504 --> 00:57:08.744
Speaker 1: am I actually, or am I, like, peeking
somehow?" I'm, like, squinting through my

887
00:57:08.784 --> 00:57:09.504
Speaker 1: eyes. Bam.

888
00:57:09.524 --> 00:57:09.724
Speaker 2: [laughs]

889
00:57:09.884 --> 00:57:11.544
Speaker 1: It's off. And you're like, "Oh, I'm
so sorry."

890
00:57:11.564 --> 00:57:11.644
Speaker 2: Yeah.

891
00:57:11.644 --> 00:57:12.284
Speaker 1: "Please come back."

892
00:57:12.304 --> 00:57:12.444
Speaker 2: Yeah.

893
00:57:12.444 --> 00:57:16.604
Speaker 1: "No, no, no." So if you ever doubted
whether your intention or your beliefs are

894
00:57:16.644 --> 00:57:21.724
Speaker 1: affecting your reality, psychic
powers end up being, like, a really good, like,
I

895
00:57:21.744 --> 00:57:27.684
Speaker 1: guess, bellwether. Like, just a way
to test how open am I? How, like, permissive am

896
00:57:27.784 --> 00:57:32.504
Speaker 1: I feeling? Like, how am I allowing
things in? Because that tinfoil ain't gonna spin

897
00:57:32.564 --> 00:57:36.624
Speaker 1: if you don't believe it. Um, and so
if it happens immediately, you get that

898
00:57:36.684 --> 00:57:41.584
Speaker 1: real-world validation. So it also
ends up being a really good, like, barometer for

899
00:57:41.644 --> 00:57:45.704
Speaker 1: how connected am I? How much, how
tuned am I, tuned in am I? Um-

900
00:57:46.044 --> 00:57:46.124
Speaker 2: Mm

901
00:57:46.124 --> 00:57:51.464
Speaker 1: ... and it w- it, it won't lie.
[laughs] That, uh, it... You shouldn't use that
as

902
00:57:51.484 --> 00:57:55.564
Speaker 1: your only test, of course, because
you're gonna become demotivated. Uh, and there,

903
00:57:55.644 --> 00:57:58.624
Speaker 1: other things can go wrong, right?
There's, there are other factors, but it ends up

904
00:57:58.664 --> 00:58:04.144
Speaker 1: being one... If it spins, you know
that you have at least some capacity here. Um,
so

905
00:58:04.184 --> 00:58:08.424
Speaker 1: it ends up being a decent benchmark
and a way to practice. Uh, so all of those are,

906
00:58:08.784 --> 00:58:11.704
Speaker 1: are good reasons to do it. Also, it's
awesome. So-

907
00:58:11.704 --> 00:58:12.664
Speaker 2: [laughs] Super powerful effect

908
00:58:12.664 --> 00:58:14.784
Speaker 1: ... I think that's the number one
reason, right? We can.

909
00:58:14.824 --> 00:58:16.704
Speaker 2: All right. This is, uh,

910
00:58:18.504 --> 00:58:24.224
Speaker 2: I'm gonna test you. I, I believe in
your powers, and this is a live demo.

911
00:58:25.584 --> 00:58:28.944
Speaker 2: Okay. I've got, I've got four
different color pens here.

912
00:58:28.964 --> 00:58:30.864
Speaker 1: [laughs]

913
00:58:30.964 --> 00:58:31.844
Speaker 2: I'm gonna hold them up.

914
00:58:32.844 --> 00:58:33.044
Speaker 1: Okay.

915
00:58:33.924 --> 00:58:36.104
Speaker 2: Anyone who is doubting this and
watching this-

916
00:58:36.144 --> 00:58:36.364
Speaker 1: [laughs]

917
00:58:36.384 --> 00:58:37.284
Speaker 2: ... or listening to this-

918
00:58:37.864 --> 00:58:38.844
Speaker 1: Thanks for putting me on the spot

919
00:58:38.884 --> 00:58:39.144
Speaker 2: ... would be like-

920
00:58:39.144 --> 00:58:39.284
Speaker 1: I appreciate that

921
00:58:39.284 --> 00:58:40.004
Speaker 2: ... he, he's squinting.

922
00:58:40.224 --> 00:58:40.624
Speaker 1: If it's true-

923
00:58:40.644 --> 00:58:41.324
Speaker 2: But I believe you

924
00:58:41.324 --> 00:58:42.464
Speaker 1: ... I'm not squinting.

925
00:58:42.504 --> 00:58:43.824
Speaker 2: And w- and we can always cut-

926
00:58:43.884 --> 00:58:44.044
Speaker 1: Of course I-

927
00:58:44.084 --> 00:58:46.064
Speaker 2: We can always cut this out. [laughs]

928
00:58:46.104 --> 00:58:47.464
Speaker 1: What? I don't need to cut it.

929
00:58:47.484 --> 00:58:47.744
Speaker 2: Are you ready?

930
00:58:47.784 --> 00:58:48.204
Speaker 1: No. Bring it on.

931
00:58:48.224 --> 00:58:48.644
Speaker 2: Are you ready?

932
00:58:48.704 --> 00:58:49.004
Speaker 1: Let's go.

933
00:58:49.324 --> 00:58:50.784
Speaker 2: Activate. Are you... What, what level
are you at?

934
00:58:50.824 --> 00:58:51.524
Speaker 1: It's on. Let's go.

935
00:58:51.564 --> 00:58:52.344
Speaker 2: Level one. Okay.

936
00:58:53.964 --> 00:58:54.984
Speaker 1: It's, uh, orange.

937
00:58:57.024 --> 00:58:57.264
Speaker 2: Right.

938
00:58:58.784 --> 00:59:00.344
Speaker 1: There's no pen. What do you got? Oh,
that's blue.

939
00:59:00.383 --> 00:59:00.464
Speaker 2: Oh.

940
00:59:00.664 --> 00:59:00.943
Speaker 1: Sorry.

941
00:59:01.824 --> 00:59:01.984
Speaker 2: Okay.

942
00:59:02.304 --> 00:59:02.704
Speaker 1: It's blue.

943
00:59:03.584 --> 00:59:04.104
Speaker 2: That's purple.

944
00:59:04.904 --> 00:59:06.124
Speaker 1: What? That's green?

945
00:59:06.304 --> 00:59:08.864
Speaker 2: Oh, I'll show you again. I'll show
you again. Hold on. Yeah, that one, that one was

946
00:59:08.904 --> 00:59:09.024
Speaker 2: green.

947
00:59:09.064 --> 00:59:10.844
Speaker 1: That's not purple. That looks blue.

948
00:59:11.564 --> 00:59:13.204
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, I guess it's relative.

949
00:59:13.204 --> 00:59:15.624
Speaker 1: [laughs] It's orange.

950
00:59:16.904 --> 00:59:17.084
Speaker 2: Okay.

951
00:59:18.644 --> 00:59:21.284
Speaker 2: Oh, this is interesting. This is
interesting. I'm gathering some information
here.

952
00:59:21.564 --> 00:59:24.564
Speaker 1: [laughs] Okay. It's not where I
thought this was going. Is it black?

953
00:59:25.704 --> 00:59:25.844
Speaker 2: Yeah.

954
00:59:26.444 --> 00:59:27.004
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's black.

955
00:59:27.064 --> 00:59:31.044
Speaker 2: Black. All right. Uh, you wanna do a
couple more? Here. Oh, here, I got a couple

956
00:59:31.064 --> 00:59:31.244
Speaker 2: more here.

957
00:59:31.284 --> 00:59:31.544
Speaker 1: Sure.

958
00:59:31.604 --> 00:59:34.664
Speaker 2: I got a whole bag full of
multicolored pens. This is how I write.

959
00:59:36.744 --> 00:59:37.064
Speaker 1: Green.

960
00:59:40.464 --> 00:59:40.764
Speaker 1: Blue.

961
00:59:43.264 --> 00:59:44.244
Speaker 1: It's, like, a lighter blue, though.

962
00:59:46.344 --> 00:59:47.924
Speaker 1: Uh, the lighting is hard. It looks
like dark green.

963
00:59:48.844 --> 00:59:53.144
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, my lighting's not good.
Yep. Yeah, man. Pfoof. It's interesting. This
is,

964
00:59:53.444 --> 00:59:56.184
Speaker 2: there's an orange, and there's a,
like, a light pink.

965
00:59:56.204 --> 00:59:57.864
Speaker 1: I have a lot of... The right one on
the right for me is lighter.

966
00:59:58.884 --> 01:00:02.964
Speaker 2: Yeah. This is, like, a pink, and this
is, like, an orange. Oh, man, interesting.

967
01:00:03.724 --> 01:00:04.784
Speaker 2: Live demo. Okay, that's fun.

968
01:00:04.804 --> 01:00:07.244
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah. Appreciate you really
putting me on the spot there [laughs] in the

969
01:00:07.324 --> 01:00:07.624
Speaker 1: moment.

970
01:00:07.864 --> 01:00:09.424
Speaker 2: [laughs] Now the world knows you're
psychic.

971
01:00:09.424 --> 01:00:10.624
Speaker 1: I, I like demoing. It's cool.

972
01:00:10.624 --> 01:00:11.404
Speaker 2: [laughs]

973
01:00:11.484 --> 01:00:11.804
Speaker 1: It is harder, though.

974
01:00:11.804 --> 01:00:16.524
Speaker 2: No, it's powerful. Well, it made me
think of, um, yeah, uh, Dahlia? I forgot her

975
01:00:16.544 --> 01:00:17.604
Speaker 2: name. Bor something.

976
01:00:17.784 --> 01:00:17.904
Speaker 1: Yeah.

977
01:00:18.704 --> 01:00:19.344
Speaker 2: What's her last name?

978
01:00:20.324 --> 01:00:22.904
Speaker 1: Uh, Burr... I don't know. It starts
with a B.

979
01:00:22.924 --> 01:00:23.744
Speaker 2: Boroin or something?

980
01:00:23.804 --> 01:00:24.344
Speaker 1: I can't remember.

981
01:00:24.824 --> 01:00:25.544
Speaker 2: Boroin? I don't know.

982
01:00:25.584 --> 01:00:26.624
Speaker 1: Just search Dahlia Mindsight.

983
01:00:26.644 --> 01:00:26.684
Speaker 2: I don't know.

984
01:00:26.704 --> 01:00:27.064
Speaker 1: You'll see her.

985
01:00:27.304 --> 01:00:30.784
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dahlia. Uh, I heard a, listened
to an interview with her. She's a Mindsight

986
01:00:30.844 --> 01:00:34.804
Speaker 2: facilitator, trainer, and I think she
was one of the people who trained Steven.

987
01:00:35.124 --> 01:00:35.224
Speaker 1: Yeah.

988
01:00:35.304 --> 01:00:39.664
Speaker 2: And she said that some people are so
skeptical that, you know, they train it with

989
01:00:39.704 --> 01:00:43.704
Speaker 2: this mask, a special mask that has,
like, that doesn't let any li- light through,

990
01:00:44.364 --> 01:00:50.276
Speaker 2: Mindfold. And, uh, [clears throat]
some people doubt that the mask is blocking

991
01:00:50.316 --> 01:00:55.616
Speaker 2: enough, so she needs to wear, like,
patches over her eyes and, uh, the mask and then

992
01:00:55.996 --> 01:00:59.516
Speaker 2: another, like, layer on top of it
[laughs] until it's like, yeah, there's

993
01:00:59.576 --> 01:01:01.456
Speaker 2: definitely... You're definitely not
seeing anything.

994
01:01:01.616 --> 01:01:01.656
Speaker 1: She wore-

995
01:01:01.656 --> 01:01:04.076
Speaker 2: And she's just, like, ac- 100%
accurate.

996
01:01:04.956 --> 01:01:05.836
Speaker 1: She had seven layers-

997
01:01:05.876 --> 01:01:06.116
Speaker 2: It's amazing

998
01:01:06.116 --> 01:01:08.256
Speaker 1: ... of stuff on her face when she
demoed for us in person.

999
01:01:08.256 --> 01:01:08.736
Speaker 2: [laughs]

1000
01:01:08.776 --> 01:01:14.316
Speaker 1: She had a scarf, Band-Aids, like, a
mask, a, like, a welding visor, a whole bunch

1001
01:01:14.356 --> 01:01:14.416
Speaker 1: of-

1002
01:01:14.596 --> 01:01:15.036
Speaker 2: Yeah. Welding stuff

1003
01:01:15.036 --> 01:01:18.856
Speaker 1: ... construction paper, a bunch of
random... This woman's head was, like, wrap-

1004
01:01:18.976 --> 01:01:23.396
Speaker 1: [laughs] wrapped up in stuff. And she
was calling out colors and cards and letters

1005
01:01:23.416 --> 01:01:25.576
Speaker 1: and stuff from across the room, which
is incredible.

1006
01:01:25.736 --> 01:01:25.737
Speaker 2: Wow.

1007
01:01:25.776 --> 01:01:26.956
Speaker 1: I have not trained to that degree.

1008
01:01:27.116 --> 01:01:27.117
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1009
01:01:27.156 --> 01:01:28.016
Speaker 1: I see through my eyelids.

1010
01:01:28.936 --> 01:01:28.956
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1011
01:01:28.976 --> 01:01:32.996
Speaker 1: Right? Um, and it's good enough for
me. I'm training other skills. I wanna see in

1012
01:01:33.036 --> 01:01:36.436
Speaker 1: the dark. Still working on that one.
I wanna see the flow of, like, non-physical

1013
01:01:36.476 --> 01:01:41.076
Speaker 1: things like energy. Still working on
that one. Uh, spirits. Some mixed success with

1014
01:01:41.116 --> 01:01:44.516
Speaker 1: all of those. Uh, I'm more interested
in that than I am in just, like, how much crap

1015
01:01:44.556 --> 01:01:46.316
Speaker 1: can I put on my face and still see
through it.

1016
01:01:46.316 --> 01:01:46.916
Speaker 2: [laughs]

1017
01:01:46.976 --> 01:01:48.016
Speaker 1: I don't really care about that.

1018
01:01:48.036 --> 01:01:49.536
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

1019
01:01:49.536 --> 01:01:51.055
Speaker 1: Um, I wanna zoom in, uh, stuff like
that.

1020
01:01:51.116 --> 01:01:51.256
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1021
01:01:51.636 --> 01:01:55.816
Speaker 1: Uh, but this is just fun for me now.
Like, I don't need to prove it anymore. Like,

1022
01:01:55.976 --> 01:02:00.896
Speaker 1: I'm good. Uh, that... Now I'm just
having fun. Now I'm just playing. I have other

1023
01:02:00.956 --> 01:02:06.476
Speaker 1: goals, like spiritually development,
I guess. Um, but psychic powers are awesome,

1024
01:02:06.636 --> 01:02:11.576
Speaker 1: and they're real. So, you know, it's
not where I planned the conversation to go, but

1025
01:02:11.596 --> 01:02:17.276
Speaker 1: they were a huge part of how I was
able to take some of these steps, is because I

1026
01:02:17.356 --> 01:02:22.616
Speaker 1: had validation from other things.
Like, I know I've seen some UFOs. [laughs] Like,

1027
01:02:22.676 --> 01:02:26.996
Speaker 1: at this... That, I don't know how to
explain that. Uh, I've moved things without

1028
01:02:27.056 --> 01:02:29.096
Speaker 1: touching them. I can see without
eyes. Like, I-

1029
01:02:29.436 --> 01:02:29.576
Speaker 2: Mm.

1030
01:02:29.596 --> 01:02:32.876
Speaker 1: You've, you've... So you become,
"Well, maybe I've... You know, there really is a

1031
01:02:32.936 --> 01:02:33.136
Speaker 1: life-"

1032
01:02:33.136 --> 01:02:33.137
Speaker 2: Yeah

1033
01:02:33.136 --> 01:02:35.496
Speaker 1: ... or a family beyond this one.
Maybe I really can talk to them."

1034
01:02:35.536 --> 01:02:35.576
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1035
01:02:35.596 --> 01:02:40.576
Speaker 1: "These aren't just thoughts in my
head." Um, so nobody just showed up with those

1036
01:02:40.636 --> 01:02:45.316
Speaker 1: experiences right out of the gate.
Like, it was spoon-fed to me. I may not have

1037
01:02:45.436 --> 01:02:50.576
Speaker 1: realized it, but if you can make my
family go away for the afternoon on short

1038
01:02:50.616 --> 01:02:50.976
Speaker 1: notice-

1039
01:02:51.616 --> 01:02:51.617
Speaker 2: Mm

1040
01:02:51.616 --> 01:02:53.676
Speaker 1: ... what is time? [laughs]

1041
01:02:53.696 --> 01:02:53.697
Speaker 2: Mm.

1042
01:02:53.776 --> 01:02:57.276
Speaker 1: If you can plant people's thoughts in
people's heads... Again, none of this is

1043
01:02:57.336 --> 01:03:02.156
Speaker 1: sinister. It's all, like, incredibly
loving. Uh, like a very loving, like, dungeon

1044
01:03:02.216 --> 01:03:07.076
Speaker 1: master just, like s- moving pieces
behind the scenes, respecting free will, but

1045
01:03:07.156 --> 01:03:10.976
Speaker 1: clearly influencing events so that
you get what you want, right?

1046
01:03:11.016 --> 01:03:11.096
Speaker 2: Mm.

1047
01:03:11.136 --> 01:03:16.916
Speaker 1: Or to help it. Um, so yeah, I... All
of this, like, feeds into

1048
01:03:17.536 --> 01:03:21.936
Speaker 1: being able to take this stuff
seriously. It's... It wasn't just one event. And
I

1049
01:03:21.956 --> 01:03:26.196
Speaker 1: would've probably had a psychotic
break or not believed it if it had started at
full

1050
01:03:26.236 --> 01:03:28.136
Speaker 1: volume. Like, that would not be kind.

1051
01:03:28.236 --> 01:03:28.237
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

1052
01:03:28.276 --> 01:03:31.956
Speaker 1: I would not have learned anything. I
would've just, like, taken some pills and made

1053
01:03:31.976 --> 01:03:32.496
Speaker 1: it go away.

1054
01:03:34.056 --> 01:03:34.296
Speaker 2: Hmm.

1055
01:03:36.436 --> 01:03:40.516
Speaker 2: Yeah. There's a lot of really good,
like, yeah, really vibrant threads that I'm

1056
01:03:40.596 --> 01:03:46.316
Speaker 2: excited to pull. Uh, and we are
aiming to close in

1057
01:03:46.376 --> 01:03:51.296
Speaker 2: about around this time. So yeah, I'm
just wanting, wondering if you would like to

1058
01:03:52.516 --> 01:03:57.176
Speaker 2: share some reflections, uh, having
shared this story and in, in this conversation

1059
01:03:57.556 --> 01:03:57.956
Speaker 2: now.

1060
01:03:59.916 --> 01:04:03.096
Speaker 2: Any meaning you're making of this
experiences or new perspectives you're gaining

1061
01:04:03.156 --> 01:04:04.616
Speaker 2: from sharing it now in this space?

1062
01:04:05.496 --> 01:04:10.056
Speaker 1: It's fun for me. Um, so we got
through the personal story. We didn't... We'll
get to

1063
01:04:10.096 --> 01:04:13.696
Speaker 1: the rest in part two of, of [laughs]
this episode. Um,

1064
01:04:15.776 --> 01:04:21.476
Speaker 1: it's... This is my life. Like, these
are people to me. This isn't just a fun story.

1065
01:04:21.676 --> 01:04:26.256
Speaker 1: I am in a unique position. Told my
other friend Tony that every time I tell these

1066
01:04:26.336 --> 01:04:29.876
Speaker 1: stories, I know they're there.
[laughs] Like-

1067
01:04:29.876 --> 01:04:29.896
Speaker 2: Mm

1068
01:04:29.896 --> 01:04:31.336
Speaker 1: ... I know they can listen to me.

1069
01:04:32.956 --> 01:04:37.016
Speaker 1: Every now and then, you, you get a
little impression, like, for the most part, but

1070
01:04:37.076 --> 01:04:42.196
Speaker 1: this is my life. These are people to
me. Like, these, this is like a family. Like,

1071
01:04:42.276 --> 01:04:45.716
Speaker 1: it's, it's not just a thing I trot
out because it's, "Ha ha, check out this cool

1072
01:04:45.796 --> 01:04:51.596
Speaker 1: story I've got." Like, at... It
matters on a very deep level to me.

1073
01:04:52.796 --> 01:04:58.056
Speaker 1: Um, I know it is true. I haven't just
had some fun experiences. I've... It hasn't

1074
01:04:58.116 --> 01:05:02.835
Speaker 1: stopped, right? Um, and I was wrong
about a lot of the impressions along the way.

1075
01:05:03.556 --> 01:05:08.696
Speaker 1: Uh, but it always, just like the coin
thing, it always ends up converging on the

1076
01:05:08.756 --> 01:05:12.016
Speaker 1: truth if you're patient enough. If
you just keep getting back up and trying again,

1077
01:05:12.536 --> 01:05:15.436
Speaker 1: you're willing to admit, "Oh, I was
wrong about that," getting some conflicting

1078
01:05:15.496 --> 01:05:19.596
Speaker 1: impressions, you're like... If you're
patient enough and you keep following it and

1079
01:05:19.636 --> 01:05:24.876
Speaker 1: you never stop believing that there
is something here, but you also hold it lightly,

1080
01:05:25.416 --> 01:05:28.836
Speaker 1: you don't need the right answers
right away. You don't get the validation right

1081
01:05:28.896 --> 01:05:34.816
Speaker 1: away. If you can sit with it and,
like, keep going, it does turn into something.

1082
01:05:35.596 --> 01:05:38.796
Speaker 1: And what it turned into me, into for
me was, like,

1083
01:05:40.576 --> 01:05:43.036
Speaker 1: what matters most to me. You saw it
in the questions that I asked.

1084
01:05:43.776 --> 01:05:43.796
Speaker 2: Mm.

1085
01:05:43.816 --> 01:05:48.276
Speaker 1: You know, just loving relationships,
just finding out that somebody had been there,

1086
01:05:48.696 --> 01:05:53.156
Speaker 1: multiple somebodies had been there
the whole time, my entire life, and, uh,

1087
01:05:54.676 --> 01:05:59.236
Speaker 1: how touching that is, and that that
is true to some degree in different ways.

1088
01:05:59.456 --> 01:06:03.876
Speaker 1: Everyone has their own story like
this. You just didn't know it. You're sitting
here

1089
01:06:03.916 --> 01:06:09.196
Speaker 1: going to work, you're bored, you're,
you feel like your life has no meaning or

1090
01:06:09.216 --> 01:06:11.316
Speaker 1: [laughs] things are pointless.
Meanwhile,

1091
01:06:13.076 --> 01:06:16.636
Speaker 1: somebody there cares about you.
They're wa- [laughs] they're watching you.
They're

1092
01:06:16.696 --> 01:06:21.236
Speaker 1: there, and they care about you, and
they want things for you, and they influence

1093
01:06:21.296 --> 01:06:27.116
Speaker 1: you, and you're not alone. And it's,
there's nothing bad or sinister or unnerving

1094
01:06:27.156 --> 01:06:32.216
Speaker 1: really about it other than the
realization that you are loved, and you're not
alone,

1095
01:06:32.976 --> 01:06:37.676
Speaker 1: and you never were. You just thought
you were. That is, like, how it feels to tell

1096
01:06:37.696 --> 01:06:41.116
Speaker 1: this story, is how profound that is,
and that's still what matters most to me. As

1097
01:06:41.176 --> 01:06:45.816
Speaker 1: crazy as it sounds, like, getting all
of this information about [laughs] how reality

1098
01:06:45.876 --> 01:06:50.456
Speaker 1: works and being able to do cool
psychic stuff and, like, you would think that
those

1099
01:06:50.496 --> 01:06:53.656
Speaker 1: are the highlights, and they're
awesome. But ultimately, at the end of the day,
at

1100
01:06:53.696 --> 01:06:59.628
Speaker 1: least for me, and I- Hopefully for a
lot of other people, it's finding out who's out

1101
01:06:59.688 --> 01:07:03.648
Speaker 1: there that loves you and, like
[laughs] what they want for you, and that
they've

1102
01:07:03.688 --> 01:07:07.388
Speaker 1: cared about you this whole time, and
that they've been helping you this whole time.

1103
01:07:08.368 --> 01:07:08.528
Speaker 2: Hmm.

1104
01:07:09.008 --> 01:07:14.088
Speaker 1: And to me, that is what matters most,
and it still is. And that's, uh... I think

1105
01:07:14.128 --> 01:07:15.508
Speaker 1: there's something beautiful about
that.

1106
01:07:18.688 --> 01:07:18.848
Speaker 2: Hmm.

1107
01:07:25.188 --> 01:07:25.468
Speaker 2: Hmm.

1108
01:07:31.108 --> 01:07:34.508
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel honored to hear the
story more in depth and to have these

1109
01:07:34.548 --> 01:07:36.508
Speaker 2: conversations. And, uh,

1110
01:07:39.928 --> 01:07:45.748
Speaker 2: they always sit with me in my mind,
and I like this idea of, like, you mentioned

1111
01:07:45.788 --> 01:07:50.528
Speaker 2: beginning shatterings, a series of
shatterings, and my other podcast is called

1112
01:07:50.588 --> 01:07:52.908
Speaker 2: Ruptures and Roots. Um,

1113
01:07:54.508 --> 01:07:55.848
Speaker 2: and how every time

1114
01:07:58.208 --> 01:08:02.268
Speaker 2: who I think I was and where I thought
I was going breaks open, something truer

1115
01:08:04.468 --> 01:08:08.908
Speaker 2: comes through, and a version of
myself that lives a fuller life.

1116
01:08:10.368 --> 01:08:15.228
Speaker 2: And, uh, it's, uh, kind of incredible
that this is where I find myself now.

1117
01:08:16.368 --> 01:08:18.788
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting to think
that, like, a lot of the,

1118
01:08:22.048 --> 01:08:25.648
Speaker 2: the battle or a lot of the journey is
coming to the point where you can actually

1119
01:08:25.688 --> 01:08:30.328
Speaker 2: begin to believe, hey, maybe this
stuff is real. [laughs]

1120
01:08:30.368 --> 01:08:32.568
Speaker 1: There's a lot of work to be done to
get to that point, to be fair.

1121
01:08:32.588 --> 01:08:33.748
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

1122
01:08:34.088 --> 01:08:34.748
Speaker 1: You need to be able to keep-

1123
01:08:34.808 --> 01:08:34.868
Speaker 2: And-

1124
01:08:34.868 --> 01:08:36.748
Speaker 1: ... a job and put your clothes on
and-

1125
01:08:37.328 --> 01:08:37.329
Speaker 2: Mm

1126
01:08:37.328 --> 01:08:41.488
Speaker 1: ... not be, you know, have anger
management problems or drug addiction problems.

1127
01:08:41.588 --> 01:08:45.068
Speaker 1: Like, you, there's a lot of work to
get to the top of Maslow's hierarchy. It's not a

1128
01:08:45.128 --> 01:08:45.688
Speaker 1: simple task.

1129
01:08:45.728 --> 01:08:45.768
Speaker 2: Mm.

1130
01:08:45.808 --> 01:08:46.108
Speaker 1: So don't-

1131
01:08:46.568 --> 01:08:47.248
Speaker 2: Mm.

1132
01:08:47.288 --> 01:08:49.528
Speaker 1: It's a tough world that we find
ourselves in.

1133
01:08:49.988 --> 01:08:50.168
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1134
01:08:50.848 --> 01:08:51.328
Speaker 1: But you can make it.

1135
01:08:51.368 --> 01:08:56.328
Speaker 2: And being the sci-fi and fantasy
writer that I am, I always imagine,

1136
01:08:57.588 --> 01:09:00.188
Speaker 2: wow, where are we going? This is,
what a-

1137
01:09:00.428 --> 01:09:00.429
Speaker 1: Mm

1138
01:09:00.428 --> 01:09:06.268
Speaker 2: ... strange and luminous time we're
living in, where m-

1139
01:09:06.268 --> 01:09:11.428
Speaker 2: many more of us, more and more of us
are discovering these capacities that Stephen's

1140
01:09:11.468 --> 01:09:13.648
Speaker 2: talking about, and has been,

1141
01:09:15.168 --> 01:09:17.608
Speaker 2: uh, paving the way or...

1142
01:09:19.648 --> 01:09:25.448
Speaker 2: Uh, I like the image of, like,
breaking through a, like, you know, the

1143
01:09:25.508 --> 01:09:28.308
Speaker 2: first person to, like, row. It's, uh,

1144
01:09:30.468 --> 01:09:35.088
Speaker 2: rowing upstream, right? Or maybe like
the, like a, like a geese flying, right? The

1145
01:09:35.128 --> 01:09:39.088
Speaker 2: f- the one at the front is working
the hardest, but then the ones coming behind it

1146
01:09:39.168 --> 01:09:40.588
Speaker 2: are, it's a little bit easier.

1147
01:09:41.488 --> 01:09:41.568
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

1148
01:09:41.748 --> 01:09:47.488
Speaker 2: Uh, as, but as more and more of us
begin to, you know, pivot

1149
01:09:47.588 --> 01:09:51.548
Speaker 2: and arrive at this place, uh, a place
like this,

1150
01:09:53.088 --> 01:09:57.968
Speaker 2: these capacities can unlock in a
greater potential.

1151
01:09:59.148 --> 01:10:03.748
Speaker 2: So, you know, there's a version of
the sci-fi future that I've, you know, been

1152
01:10:03.788 --> 01:10:09.508
Speaker 2: enculturated to believe where, you
know, it's like we put, we put, like, computers

1153
01:10:09.528 --> 01:10:14.968
Speaker 2: in our brains and, you know, unlock,
enhance ourselves cybernetically, the cyberpunk

1154
01:10:15.028 --> 01:10:18.588
Speaker 2: future [laughs] , you know, or, like,
we take off into the stars or something like

1155
01:10:18.648 --> 01:10:19.108
Speaker 2: that. But

1156
01:10:20.908 --> 01:10:23.708
Speaker 2: this, to me, it feels like the
frontier. Consciousness.

1157
01:10:23.728 --> 01:10:24.688
Speaker 1: Surprise.

1158
01:10:25.048 --> 01:10:25.208
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1159
01:10:25.428 --> 01:10:29.008
Speaker 1: Nope. Every time somebody talks to me
about a Terminator future, I start laughing.

1160
01:10:29.448 --> 01:10:29.828
Speaker 2: I'm like, phew.

1161
01:10:29.868 --> 01:10:30.908
Speaker 1: I'm like, "Buddy, you have no idea."

1162
01:10:30.908 --> 01:10:32.688
Speaker 2: I don't want that. Who wants that?
[laughs]

1163
01:10:32.768 --> 01:10:32.848
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1164
01:10:32.888 --> 01:10:35.248
Speaker 2: None of those futures are beautiful.
[laughs]

1165
01:10:35.328 --> 01:10:38.448
Speaker 1: You guys can have that. How about a
90-degree turn? How about that?

1166
01:10:38.868 --> 01:10:39.048
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1167
01:10:39.108 --> 01:10:39.528
Speaker 1: What if you're-

1168
01:10:39.548 --> 01:10:39.848
Speaker 2: How about we're all-

1169
01:10:39.848 --> 01:10:40.788
Speaker 1: ... totally wrong about the future?

1170
01:10:40.788 --> 01:10:43.248
Speaker 2: How about we're all flying around and
lifting boulders with our minds?

1171
01:10:43.628 --> 01:10:43.868
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1172
01:10:43.868 --> 01:10:44.468
Speaker 2: [laughs]

1173
01:10:44.528 --> 01:10:49.008
Speaker 1: Yeah. You can just peace out and go
live in idea space. You don't even need a body.

1174
01:10:49.008 --> 01:10:49.308
Speaker 2: [laughs]

1175
01:10:49.308 --> 01:10:51.628
Speaker 1: What you think about that? Nobody...
Why do we think-

1176
01:10:51.668 --> 01:10:51.669
Speaker 2: That's-

1177
01:10:51.668 --> 01:10:55.008
Speaker 1: ... keep thinking we can predict the
future? Humans. We're like, "Psh, I know where

1178
01:10:55.048 --> 01:10:55.848
Speaker 1: the future's going."

1179
01:10:55.888 --> 01:10:55.889
Speaker 2: Mm.

1180
01:10:55.908 --> 01:10:58.928
Speaker 1: Like, you don't know. Every single
time we think that, we're wrong.

1181
01:10:59.508 --> 01:11:04.888
Speaker 2: Yeah. [laughs] Well, that feels like
a good place to wrap.

1182
01:11:05.668 --> 01:11:08.588
Speaker 2: This has been such a exciting and
interesting conversation today.

1183
01:11:12.068 --> 01:11:14.608
Speaker 2: This is Reality 101. Until next time.

1184
01:11:16.068 --> 01:11:20.348
Speaker 1: Nothing is impossible, you're not
going to die, and everything loves you.

1185
01:11:20.348 --> 01:11:30.828
Speaker 1: [outro music]